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English with Jennifer


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Hi everyone. I'm Jennifer from English withย  Jennifer. Many students turn to YouTube andย ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„. ์ €๋Š” Jennifer์™€ ์˜์–ด์—์„œ ์˜จ Jennifer์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
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other social media platforms to learn English.ย  Common goals include learning to speak English,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด YouTube ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์„ ์ด์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์—๋Š” ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ํ•™์Šต,
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improving pronunciation, picking up idioms, andย  getting answers to grammar questions -- and that'sย ย 
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๋ฐœ์Œ ๊ฐœ์„ , ๊ด€์šฉ๊ตฌ ์ตํžˆ๊ธฐ, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ ์–ป๊ธฐ ๋“ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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great because I'm happy that I can be part of theย  solution. The question I have for you is whetherย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์†”๋ฃจ์…˜์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
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you also look online for opportunities to read inย  English. Do you include reading in your languageย ย 
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ฝ์„ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์—ฌ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€์— ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จ์‹œํ‚ค๋‚˜์š”
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studies? I'd like to introduce a colleague toย  you. His name is Joseph Poulshock. Like me,ย ย 
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? ๋™๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Joseph Poulshock์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
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Joey is an English language teacher with aย  lot of years under his belt. Joey uses hisย ย 
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Joey๋Š” ์˜ค๋žœ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์˜ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Joey๋Š”
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experience outside of YouTube to help languageย  learners. He is a classroom instructor,ย ย 
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YouTube ์™ธ๋ถ€์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ๋•์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฐ•์˜์‹ค ๊ฐ•์‚ฌ์ด์ง€๋งŒ
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but he's also built a platform thatย  provides reading practice at all levels.ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žซํผ๋„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ
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Please listen and enjoy theย  conversation. Here's what you can gainย ย 
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๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์ฆ๊ธฐ์„ธ์š” .
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awareness of: Common mistakes that learnersย  make in their approach to learning English.ย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ๋•Œ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜. ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ์Œ“๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ
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Tips for reading the right wayย  to build your English skills.ย ย 
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŒ .
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Tips for finding appropriate readingย  materials. Tips for making readingย ย 
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์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋„์›€๋ง ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ํŒ
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enjoyable. What's a "home run book"? Insightsย  into self-esteem, performance, and courage.ย ย 
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"ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ๋ถ"์ด๋ž€? ์ž๋ถ€์‹ฌ, ์„ฑ๊ณผ, ์šฉ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ
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Do you want to know what fear I recently faced?ย  You'll find out the chance to hear two Americanย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์–ด๋–ค ๋‘๋ ค์›€์— ์ง๋ฉดํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ESL ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ
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English speakers from the field of ESL speak atย  length about a subject that has importance to you.ย ย 
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์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธธ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And at the end, how to get anย  exclusive discount on ReadOasis.com.ย ย 
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ReadOasis.com์—์„œ ๋…์  ํ• ์ธ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Joey, thank you so much for taking the time toย  join me. Thank you for having me. Right. So, ofย ย 
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์กฐ์ด, ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ด์–ด ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
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course, we've had plenty of time to chat a littleย  bit. Could you give a brief intro to those whoย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
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aren't familiar with you and your work? Like whoย  are you, where are you from ,and what do you do?ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์†Œ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ด๊ณ  ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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Sure. I originally come from the United States,ย  Pacific Northwest. But I've been in Japan forย ย 
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ์ €๋Š” ์›๋ž˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ํƒœํ‰์–‘ ๋ถ์„œ๋ถ€์—์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š”
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quite a while teaching English at Japaneseย  universities, and when I first got over here,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ณธ ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๊ณ  , ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ด๊ณณ์— ์™”์„ ๋•Œ
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one of my bosses he was saying, "Yeah. I taughtย  English before." And he said, "It was reallyย ย 
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์ƒ์‚ฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด "์˜ˆ. ์ „์— ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” "์ •๋ง
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boring." And I was like, "Wow. Um, I don't want myย  English classes to be like that." And so I kind ofย ย 
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์ง€๋ฃจํ–ˆ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” "์™€. ์Œ, ๋‚ด ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„." ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
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made it sort of my educational...my teachingย  mission to see if I can't make, you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ต์œก์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€
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English classes, English learning interesting. Um,ย  I even like to use the word "compelling." That'sย ย 
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์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…, ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์ €์˜ ๊ต์œก ์‚ฌ๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, '๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
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Stephen Krashen's famous idea. The Compellingย  Input Hypothesis, where we kind of solve theย ย 
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Stephen Krashen์˜ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž…๋ ฅ ๊ฐ€์„ค์€
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motivational problem by just giving studentsย  what's really interesting. So yeah, I've beenย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋„ค, ์ €๋Š”
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spending my whole career thinking about how Iย  can make English language teaching interesting,ย ย 
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜์–ด ๊ต์œก์„ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ ,
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inspiring, motivating, compelling. And I'veย  basically, you know, come to focus on what what Iย ย 
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์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ , ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํ‰์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ '
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call big, easy reading, which the the experts callย  extensive reading, and then I like to combine thatย ย 
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ํฌ๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์šด ์ฝ๊ธฐ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ฅผ ' ๋‹ค๋…'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„
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with the power of stories. I think stories are theย  most interesting kind of information in the world,ย ย 
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์˜ ํž˜๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ •๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ,
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the most powerful way to put informationย  put language in our brain. So, I'veย ย 
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์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‡Œ์— ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
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focusing on stories of over the last fewย  years, and that's been kind of my passion forย ย 
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์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
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teaching -- using the power of story. I love a lotย  of the keywords coming out: passion, compelling,ย ย 
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์˜ ํž˜์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ์—ด์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์—ด์ •, ๋งค๋ ฅ, ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ ๋“ฑ์˜ ํ‚ค์›Œ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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motivating. It's really what each teacher triesย  to create, but we all do it in our own way. Andย ย 
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. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฐ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฐ์ž์˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
04:04
of course, the learners want something engaging.ย  They want something motivating. And I believeย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ํ•™์Šต์ž๋Š” ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
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there's more than one path towards fluency.ย  There are different directions you can take.ย ย 
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์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์„ ํ–ฅํ•œ ๊ธธ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์ด์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ทจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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There's a lot of resources out there, and that'sย  part of the problem...is that I find I thinkย ย 
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์‹œ์ค‘์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
04:20
it's overwhelming today, as a language learner.ย  There's a lot available, and that's wonderful,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋กœ์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์••๋„์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ๊ณ  ํ›Œ๋ฅญ
04:26
but it's also overwhelming. But can you tellย  me then, with everything available now today,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์••๋„์ ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ
04:31
what are some of the common mistakes that languageย  learners face? What kind of problems tend to beย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
04:40
common as they create their studies? Right.ย  So, my experience has been primarily teachingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ”ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ์ฃผ๋กœ
04:45
English in Japan. So, some of my answers mightย  be more Japan-specific than globally, uh per se,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์— ๋” ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
but in Japan, I think we teachers still use the,ย  um, grammar translation method. So, you know,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์Œ, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ
05:01
that's different from just teaching grammar. It'sย  sort of a method that, as I understand, it doesn'tย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด
05:06
have any research to support it, and doesn'tย  have any theory behind it. That's differentย ย 
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์ด๋ฅผ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•  ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ณ  ์ด๋ก ๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
05:11
from teaching grammar the good way, like you do.ย  Thank you. Some people are very gifted at teachingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งค์šฐ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:17
grammar, and I'm in awe of people like you whoย  can teach grammar in a very interesting and veryย ย 
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. ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ
05:22
intelligent way, and you have a really powerfulย  grasp of it. I'm not as good at grammar, so maybeย ย 
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์ง€๋Šฅ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฝ์™ธ์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ž˜ ๋ชปํ•ด์„œ ์•„๋งˆ
05:29
that's one of the reasons why I focus more onย  story. But students in Japan will tend to focusย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์— ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š” . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
05:34
too much or overfocus on grammar andย  also do it in a translation approach,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฒˆ์—ญ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฏ€๋กœ
05:40
so the grammar translation -- translating backย  from English to Japanese, translating sentences,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋ฒˆ์—ญ -- ์˜์–ด์—์„œ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•˜๊ณ 
05:45
and focusing on grammar in that way, and that'sย  a kind of a learning mistake. I think if weย ย 
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๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํ•™์Šต ์‹ค์ˆ˜.
05:51
overfocus too much on grammar, we definitely needย  focusing on grammar to focus on grammar, but,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์น˜์šฐ์น˜๋ฉด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
05:57
um, we need balance. And then I think anotherย  mistake that learners often make, especiallyย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ž์ฃผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š”
06:02
here in Japan, is focusing on test prep. Weย  have a big examination culture here in Japan.ย ย 
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์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ณธ์—๋Š” ํฐ ์‹œํ—˜ ๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
Um, they even have a word for it: examinationย  hell. Uh. So, what happens is that in Japan,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์‹œํ—˜ ์ง€์˜ฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ๋Š”
06:22
as I understand it, junior high school studentsย  are really enjoying their English classes.ย ย 
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์ค‘ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
Um, they don't have a lot of uh exam pressure,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
06:32
um, to get into university yet. But once they getย  to high school, English becomes exam-oriented,ย ย 
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์•„์ง ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜ ์••๋ฐ•์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ์˜์–ด๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜ ์œ„์ฃผ์ด๊ธฐ
06:37
and so they focus on test preparation. And I thinkย  they lose their motivation, or there's a tendencyย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์š•์„ ์žƒ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
06:46
for students to lose their motivation becauseย  they're only studying for exams. Not only that,ย ย 
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์‹œํ—˜ ๊ณต๋ถ€๋งŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์š•์„ ์žƒ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:54
not always, but in many cases the exams here atย  Japanese universities are extremely difficult,ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ผ๋ณธ ๋Œ€ํ•™์˜ ์‹œํ—˜์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต๊ณ  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค
07:01
and they kind of aim way above the level ofย  the students. And so what happens is they endย ย 
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์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋„˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
07:07
up studying really difficult vocabulary words inย  preparation for those exams, and as you know beingย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ,
07:15
an expert English teacher and knowing about highย  frequency vocabulary, they're not getting the highย ย 
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์ „๋ฌธ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์ด๊ณ  ๋นˆ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
07:21
frequency vocabulary that they need first. Thoseย  are the words that they need to know first -- thatย ย 
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๋จผ์ € ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋นˆ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋จผ์ € ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์ด๋ฉฐ
07:26
form the foundation to learn the rest of theย  words. So, the third thing that happens is,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ๋ฅผ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์€
07:31
by focusing on these test difficult tests, theyย  end up also studying really difficult vocabularyย ย 
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์ด ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์•„์ง ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์•„์ฃผ ํฌ๊ท€ํ•œ ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ดํœ˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:37
words that are very rare -- that they don't needย  yet. They do need them...they will need them atย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•œ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ
07:43
one point, but not yet. And so that the focus onย  difficult vocabulary, test prep, grammar too much,ย ย 
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์•„์ง์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ดํœ˜, ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถฅ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:48
yeah, and then also maybe also a lot ofย  difficult texts, texts that are over their head.ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ํ…์ŠคํŠธ, ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์œ„๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:55
Yes. One of one of my first experiences as anย  English teacher, this is like my very firstย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ
08:01
experience. I was teaching back in the States. Iย  taught for three years at an intensive program,ย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ง‘์ค‘ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ 3๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๊ณ 
08:06
and the school provided the textbook. And on theย  first lesson, one of my students brought me herย ย 
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ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ต๊ณผ์„œ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ˆ˜์—…์—์„œ ํ•™์ƒ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ๊ต๊ณผ์„œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”๋Š”๋ฐ
08:13
textbook, and she was from Japan, and she hadย  highlighted and translated into Japanese aboutย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ•œ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ์•ฝ 50๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์กฐ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:22
50 words on one page. Wow. And I'm like, Ohย  my goodness. This is too too difficult. Andย ย 
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. ์šฐ์™€. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” '์˜ค, ๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
08:29
that's a common problem here as well. Yes. Yes.ย  Yes. A lot of what you're saying makes sense.ย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋„ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:35
Um, going back to the grammar, I love grammar,ย  but even I as a teacher, I need to pull away fromย ย 
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์Œ, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ, ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ข‹์•„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ต์‚ฌ์ธ ์ €๋„ ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:40
it sometimes. Even when I choose what to teach,ย  there are times where I pull away for for a whileย ย 
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. ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น ์ง€ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๋•Œ๋„ ํ•  ๋งŒํผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์„œ ์ž ์‹œ ๋ฏธ๋ค„๋‘˜ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”
08:46
because I'm like, I've done enough of that. I needย  to focus elsewhere, you know. There are a lot ofย ย 
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. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€
08:50
skills out there. Grammar is just one of them,ย  adn overfocusing on just one aspect of language,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์€ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ํ•œ ์ธก๋ฉด์—๋งŒ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
08:56
just one aspect of communication, I feel, isย  is a mistake that you want to avoid as youย ย 
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, ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์˜ ํ•œ ์ธก๋ฉด์€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋•Œ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:02
create your studies. Grammar is important, in myย  opinion. You do need some direct attention. Youย ย 
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. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ง์ ‘์ ์ธ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
09:07
can't just pick all...pick it up, like, all ofย  it with a degree of...high degree of accuracy.ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์˜... ๋†’์€ ์ •ํ™•๋„๋กœ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:13
You need some practice. But too much of a focusย  is...too much of anything...is not a good thing.ย ย 
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์—ฐ์Šต์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€...๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€...์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:22
Um, this is important. Balance isย  important, and of course, um, you know,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท ํ˜•์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์Œ, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
09:25
once you get into any kind of vocabulary lesson,ย  whether it's conversational idioms or, you know,ย ย 
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์ผ๋‹จ ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์–ดํœ˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์ด๋“ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํšŒํ™” ๊ด€์šฉ๊ตฌ์ด๋“ ,
09:31
academic English, business English, youย  have to control the volume. How much are youย ย 
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ํ•™์ˆ  ์˜์–ด, ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด์ด๋“ , ์Œ๋Ÿ‰์„ ์กฐ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
presenting at one time? How much are you tryingย  to absorb at one time? And of course, the level.ย ย 
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์ˆ˜์ค€.
09:42
Um, you know, even if you say, Okay. Five wordsย  is appropriate for this lesson. Okay. Five is aย ย 
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์Œ, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ด ์ˆ˜์—…์—๋Š” ๋‹ค์„ฏ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ ํ•ฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. 5๋Š”
09:47
good number, but which five Which five vocabularyย  items? Are they level appropriate? Again too muchย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ์ˆซ์ž์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋Š 5๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค 5๊ฐœ์˜ ์–ดํœ˜ ํ•ญ๋ชฉ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ์ ์ ˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด
09:53
of anything... It's great to have ambition, butย  you need to go at your level when you're studyingย ย 
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... ์•ผ๋ง์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์ง€๋งŒ
09:59
any skill, be it reading or grammar, etc. And Iย  do love the fact that you are passionate aboutย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋“ฑ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋“  ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋งž์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:05
reading. I do think people need to remember thatย  it is one of the major skills of communication,ย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:14
um, but even so, you can't spend allย  your time reading and thinking, Yes,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด๋„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ• ์• ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ,
10:18
I'm studying English. I read every single day. I'mย  like. Great. You read every day. What else are youย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ์ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” . ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์ผ ์ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์„
10:22
doing? So there's a question: how? How shouldย  people be reading in order to learn English? Inย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ? ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฝ์–ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
10:30
order to gain fluency? Do you feel that there's aย  right way or a wrong way or just different ways?ย ย 
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์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์„ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด? ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ท ํ˜•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ 
10:36
I think it goes along exactly with what youย  just finished saying about balance. Right? So,ย ย 
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๋‚ด์šฉ๊ณผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์ผ์น˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
10:42
I'm a fan of Paul Nation. He's, I think, kind ofย  a legendary linguist language teacher who's hadย ย 
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์ €๋Š” Paul Nation์˜ ํŒฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฅ์—์„œ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ „์„ค์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ดํ•™์ž ์–ธ์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:49
tremendous influence in the field, and he talksย  about the four strands of a language course orย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ๋„ค ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์š”์†Œ ๋˜๋Š”
10:54
the four ways to balance the way you study.ย  So, one of them is getting meaningful input,ย ย 
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๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๋„ค ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ 
11:00
and that could be through listening or reading.ย  Another way is to get or to produce...so there'sย ย 
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋˜๋Š” ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ƒ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
11:06
input and then there's meaningful output. So,ย  that can be writing and, of course, speaking,ย ย 
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์ž…๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ถœ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:10
and then he also says we need to focus on fluencyย  -- um, improving our reading speed, our speakingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์†๋„์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ
11:16
speed as well. And then his fourth strand is theย  language focus strand, which is grammar discourse,ย ย 
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์†๋„๋„ ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์˜ ๋„ค ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฐ€๋‹ฅ์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋‹ดํ™”,
11:23
structure, vocabulary, and all of that. As far asย  the right way to read, um, so let's start out withย ย 
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๊ตฌ์กฐ, ์–ดํœ˜ ๋“ฑ ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ธ์–ด ์ดˆ์  ๊ฐ€๋‹ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์Œ,
11:29
the wrong way. So, I mentioned my student, whoย  had highlighted like 50 words on one page. Yeah.ย ย 
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์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•œ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ์•ฝ 50๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ‘œ์‹œํ•œ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
11:36
Um. That's the wrong way to read, and I haveย  a name for that. I call it torture reading.ย ย 
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์Œ. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด๋ฉฐ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ ๋…์„œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:42
Um, and so it's like, you know, reading it'sย  basically...there's a high percentage of noiseย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ...ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์— ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์žก์Œ์˜ ๋น„์œจ์ด ๋†’์œผ๋ฉฐ
11:48
in the text that doesn't have any meaning,ย  and that's the wrong way to read. If you haveย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:54
a really high motivation, you might be able to doย  it, but my experience is that if I'm listening orย ย 
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์˜์š•์ด ์ •๋ง ๋†’๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
12:01
reading something that's way beyond my level,ย  I actually end up losing my motivation. Um so,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฝ์œผ๋ฉด ์˜์š•์„ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ,
12:07
torture reading is definitely not the way to go.ย  Three other kinds of reading that I think are goodย ย 
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๊ณ ๋ฌธ ๋…์„œ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ฐˆ ๊ธธ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ข‹์€ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋Š”
12:14
are...the the first one is called intensiveย  reading, which is reading for language study,ย ย 
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... ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ง‘์ค‘ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:20
where you focus on, uh, structure in the text,ย  um, comprehension questions, um, discourse,ย ย 
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ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ, ์Œ, ์ดํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ, ์Œ, ๋‹ดํ™”์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถฅ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ,
12:28
which means like you know, what does "it" referย  to in the text? Or what does this pronoun referย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ '๊ทธ๊ฒƒ'์€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋˜๋Š” ์ด ๋Œ€๋ช…์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
12:33
to? So, you're focusing on language, and we callย  that intensive reading, and that's important andย ย 
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? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง‘์ค‘ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ณ 
12:38
needs to be done. Another kind of reading thatย  Paul Nation also recommends is called fluencyย ย 
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์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Paul Nation์ด ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ
12:44
reading or speed reading. So you choose a reallyย  easy text. You try to read for speed, and youย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋˜๋Š” ์†๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •๋ง ์‰ฌ์šด ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ 
12:50
measure your reading speed, and then you might doย  a few comprehension questions to make sure thatย ย 
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์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ์ธก์ •ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
12:54
you get it, but your goal on fluency reading is toย  improve your reading speed, and you can do fluencyย ย 
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, ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:00
reading, um, out loud as well or read aloud. Andย  so you can work on fluency that way. For example,ย ย 
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, ์Œ, ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋‚ด์–ด ์ฝ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž‘์—…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฌ์šด
13:07
you can you can read a text for one minute that'sย  very easy and then see....and then mark the spotย ย 
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1๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ
13:14
to how far you read and then start over at theย  beginning and read again for one minute and thenย ย 
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ฝ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ ํ•˜๊ณ  1๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ
13:20
see how many more words you read the second time.ย  Um, I got that idea from William Grabe, who's aย ย 
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๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹จ์–ด. ์Œ, ์• ๋ฆฌ์กฐ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๊ต์‚ฌ์ธ William Grabe์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:26
reading teacher in the University of Arizonaย  system. And then my favorite way is big...Iย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์ €๋Š”
13:32
call it big, easy reading or big fun reading. Um,ย  and that's extensive reading, where you read lotsย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํฌ๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์šด ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋˜๋Š” ํฐ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:38
and lots of easy texts for pleasure. So, thoseย  are the three ways I would recommend reading:ย ย 
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‰ฝ๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ธ€์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๋Š” ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:45
a little bit of intensive reading, a littleย  bit of fluency reading, and a lot of big,ย ย 
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ง‘์ค‘ ์ฝ๊ธฐ, ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ, ํฌ๊ณ 
13:49
easy reading. Right. Right. I know, um, justย  from my kids going through the public schoolsย ย 
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์‰ฌ์šด ์ฝ๊ธฐ. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ์ €๋Š” ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์Œ, ์ œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ผ์ฐ ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉด์„œ
13:55
very early on, they taught them this five-fingerย  rule about opening up a book to a random page andย ย 
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์ฑ…์„ ์ž„์˜์˜ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋กœ ์—ด์–ด์„œ
14:01
scanning it and seeing how many unfamiliar wordsย  there are on one page. And ,you know, one, two,ย ย 
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์Šค์บ”ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ•œ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚ฏ์„  ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์„ฏ ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋‚˜, ๋‘˜,
14:07
three, okay. Four is a little challenging.ย  Five -- it's probably pushing you past,ย ย 
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์…‹, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋ฒˆ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 5 -- ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
14:12
um, your level of comfort, and it's not goingย  to be enjoyable. We go into that zone where,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
14:17
you know, you talk about torture reading. If it'sย  too hard, you're not going to...Panic...you're notย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณ ๋ฌธ ๋…์„œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์šฐ๋ฉด...๊ณตํฌ์— ๋น ์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜...
14:22
going to enjoy it. It's going to be frustrating.ย  If there's, you know, 50 words for your studentย ย 
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์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ต๋‹ตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ด๋‹น ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์—๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ 50๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:27
on that page alone, what about page two? There'sย  another 50 words. Now you're at 100 unfamiliarย ย 
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2ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? 50๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ 100๊ฐœ์˜ ์ƒ์†Œํ•œ
14:32
words. It's above your level. It's going toย  be too difficult. It will not be enjoyable,ย ย 
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๋‹จ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€ ์ด์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ ,
14:38
and you won't be able to retain 50 to 100 words onย  that day, so it's too much. So, the question is,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋‚  50~100๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
14:45
okay, I like the idea of pleasure reading, fluencyย  reading. Where should people be turning then?ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ๋…์„œ, ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ฝ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””๋กœ ํ–ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
14:51
It's like, well, I don't want to go to, like,ย  children's books. Even children's books can be,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ €๋Š” ์•„๋™ ๋„์„œ์— ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด ์ฑ…๋„
14:56
um, inappropriate in the sense thatย  they can pull in vocabulary that's not,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ผ์ƒ์ ์ธ ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ ์Œ, ๋ถ€์ ์ ˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:01
um, everyday vocabulary. So, how can languageย  learners, meaning, let's say older teens andย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž, ์ฆ‰ 10๋Œ€ ์ฒญ์†Œ๋…„๊ณผ
15:08
adults, where can they find appropriate texts forย  them to practice reading? Right. That's a reallyย ย 
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์„ฑ์ธ์ด ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š” ? ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
15:15
good point you made about children's books.ย  So, children's books, um, have rare...moreย ย 
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์•„๋™ ๋„์„œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋™ ๋„์„œ๋Š” ์Œ...๋” ์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค
15:22
have rarer vocabulary than conversation betweenย  adults, and so yeah, so you're going to find,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ํฌ๊ท€ํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€
15:29
um, that children's books might not always beย  appropriate for a second language learner. Yeah,ย ย 
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์•„๋™ ๋„์„œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ2 ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ
15:34
and so, what we have is an area of literatureย  which some people call learner literature, uh,ย ย 
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, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•™์Šต์ž ๋ฌธํ•™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ฌธํ•™ ์˜์—ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:42
language learner literature, and basically thoseย  are called, um, graded readers. So, graded readersย ย 
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. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์ด ๋งค๊ฒจ์ง„ ๋…์ž๋Š”
15:49
are published by all the major publishers. Theyย  have probably thousands of of them available,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃผ์š” ์ถœํŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๋ฐœํ–‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:56
um, and so that's one way that learners can getย  lots of interesting input at their level. Theseย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด
16:03
books are written for English language learners,ย  and they use special vocabulary profiling systemsย ย 
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์ฑ…์€ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํŠน์ˆ˜ ์–ดํœ˜ ํ”„๋กœํŒŒ์ผ๋ง ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ
16:10
and vocabulary lists that are targeted for Englishย  language learners, and they're more appropriate,ย ย 
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๊ณผ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ดํœ˜ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์“ฐ์—ฌ์ง„
16:16
I think, than children's books or books for youngย  people that are written for native speakers. Yeah.ย ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด ์ฑ…์ด๋‚˜ ์ฒญ์†Œ๋…„์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฑ…๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”ผ์ปค. ์‘.
16:22
Yes. Yes. Yes. Agreed. Um, and when I do my ownย  texts and I write, I try to refer to the highย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ดํœ˜ ๋ฒ”์œ„ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ
16:29
frequency word lists to remember where I needย  to stay in terms of the range of vocabulary,ย ย 
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์–ด๋””์— ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋นˆ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ๋‹จ์–ด ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:35
so it's something that, if you are writing texts,ย  teachers out there, for your language learners,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋กœ ์‚ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ
16:41
use the resources out there to guide you soย  that you're using the high frequency vocabularyย ย 
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๋†’์€ ๋นˆ๋„์˜ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์„ธ์š”
16:47
appropriate for the level that you're targeting.ย  We're talking about reading. You and I probablyย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋…์„œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„
16:51
love to read in our own free time, and yet thereย  are people who say, "I don't like reading much.ย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋…์„œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ "๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์ด ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์ฝ์€ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ
16:57
Never did." You know, and yet you're learningย  a new language, and you and I are saying, "Hey,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” "์ด๋ด,
17:03
it's one of the skills you need to give attentionย  to." How can...what can you say to people who say,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์šธ์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์•ผ "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ... "๋‚˜๋Š” ๋…์„œ๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š์•„"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
17:09
"I don't enjoy reading." Yeah. That's a...that'sย  a really important question, and I think one ofย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€...๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:17
the first things to think about...is if you don'tย  experience pleasure while reading, you might wantย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”... ๋…์„œํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ
17:25
to think back to your experience with it, andย  maybe you have had an experience where readingย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋˜๋Œ์•„๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
17:32
has been taught for basically testing. Right? Soย  there's an author we mentioned. We talked aboutย ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์นœ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
17:39
her in our conversations previously. Donalynย  Miller, who has a book out called The Bookย ย 
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์ด์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Donalyn Miller๋Š” The Book Whisperer๋ผ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ์ถœ๊ฐ„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:45
Whisperer, and I'll just read a quote from her,ย  from that book. She says, "Endless test prepย ย 
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. ๊ทธ ์ฑ…์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฝ์–ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” "๋์—†๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„๋Š”
17:52
is the number one reason that students come to myย  class hating to read. They don't think test prepย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์ œ ์ˆ˜์—…์— ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€
18:01
is one kind of reading; they think it is reading."ย  So, that might be, at least according to Donalynย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ์˜ ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ ์–ด๋„ Donalyn
18:09
Miller, in her book The Book Whisperer...thatย  could be one major reason why, um, people haven'tย ย 
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Miller์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์ฑ… The Book Whisperer์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด...๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์Œ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋…์„œ์™€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์— ๋น ์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ฃผ์š” ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:16
fallen in love with reading. I was lucky. Myย  father read books to me when I was a little kid,ย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜๋‹ค. ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ, ์Œ, ์ž๋ž„ ๋•Œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์–ด์ฃผ์…จ๊ณ , ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„
18:23
um, growing up, and I can I remember thoseย  times with him. I also had experiences where,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ
18:29
on a few occasions, I read a book that I couldn'tย  put down. Um, and it was just lucky, you know,ย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์†์—์„œ ๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”.
18:36
just...I just picked up this book and, okay, I'llย  just start reading. And then next thing you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ...๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ด ์ฑ…์„ ์ง‘์–ด ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ , ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์•„์‹œ
18:41
it's, like, three in the morning, and I can't stopย  reading it. And some people have a name for that.ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 3์‹œ์ฏค์ธ๋ฐ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋ฉˆ์ถœ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
They actually call it a "home run book." Um, andย  I guess, I would just say, you know, a home runย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ "ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ฑ…"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ์€
18:53
is a baseball term, right? So, when you hit a homeย  run and you hit it hit the ball out of the park,ย ย 
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์•ผ๊ตฌ ์šฉ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ์„ ์น˜๊ณ  ๊ณต์„ ์ณค์„ ๋•Œ ๊ณต์ด ๊ณต์› ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋ฉด
18:58
and everybody goes, "Yay!" It's a highlight ofย  baseball. Like, if you don't know about baseball,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ "์•ผํ˜ธ!" ์•ผ๊ตฌ์˜ ํ•˜์ด๋ผ์ดํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์•ผ๊ตฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋ฉด
19:04
a home run is a...is an exciting moment inย  baseball, something really good happens. But,ย ย 
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ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ์€ ์•ผ๊ตฌ์—์„œ ์‹ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
19:08
um, yeah. So, I guess I would say, if you haven'tย  had a lot of pleasure with reading yet, um,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„์ง ๋…์„œ์˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์Œ,
19:15
you could you could change maybe the language howย  you say, and say, "I don't like to read" and thenย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  , "๋‚˜๋Š” ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์‹ซ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
"yet" put the "yet" in there, and then believeย  that somewhere out there there's a home run book,ย ย 
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"์•„์ง" ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— "์•„์ง"์„ ๋„ฃ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ฑ…์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์œผ์„ธ์š”.
19:28
uh, or a home run story waiting for you to read.ย  Or a home run writer, blogger... There's probablyย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜๋Š” ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ž‘๊ฐ€, ๋ธ”๋กœ๊ฑฐ... ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ
19:33
some writing stuff that's going to resonateย  with you, so you haven't found that yet exactly,ย ย 
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๋ฐ˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์ผ์œผํ‚ฌ ๊ธ€์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ์•„์ง ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ฐพ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
19:39
but there's so much. Yes. Right. There's so muchย  wonderful information out there to consume. Yeah,ย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ์†Œ๋น„ํ•  ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ,
19:47
um, and we're very lucky because weย  have the internet to access it all. So,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ์•ก์„ธ์Šคํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
19:51
yes. Now, I love what you said. You had a bookย  and you couldn't put down. You probably evenย ย 
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๋„ค. ์ด์ œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๋ ค๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ
19:55
reread it, right? And I have some of those booksย  too. I love physical books. I have some books,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ ์ฑ…์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ถŒ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:59
you can tell by the spine how much openingย  and closing I did. Of a favorite novel. Yeah,ย ย 
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์ฑ…๋“ฑ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์—ด๊ณ  ๋‹ซ์•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œ์„ค. ์˜ˆ,
20:06
but that means you're getting somethingย  out of the text, and as a language learner,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๊ณ  , ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋กœ์„œ
20:11
there's a pleasure reading, and, hopefully,ย  some of you have found that home run book,ย ย 
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ๋…์„œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ฑ…,
20:15
that home run story, and you've read it andย  reread it, and you're like, I like that. Butย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฝ์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
20:21
even if you're working with a more academic text,ย  the question is, are you reading it just once andย ย 
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์ข€ ๋” ํ•™์ˆ ์ ์ธ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ์ฝ๊ณ  ํ•œ
20:28
is once enough? And isn't there more that youย  could do with that text? So, I like to ask,ย ย 
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๋ฒˆ์œผ๋กœ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:34
"How much can a learner get out of a single text?ย  How much do they try to get out of a single text?ย ย 
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"ํ•™์Šต์ž๋Š” ๋‹จ์ผ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ผ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:41
You just read it and you're done? Answer thoseย  comprehension questions and boom! Move on toย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์พ…! ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”
20:45
the next? What do you think? Well, that's a goodย  question. Um, if it's...if it's literature, um,ย ย 
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? ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”? ์Œ, ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ...๋ฌธํ•™์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์Œ,
20:54
yeah. You know, if it's literature, I like to hearย  it, um, and so you know, I might read it silently,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”, ๋ฌธํ•™์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ €๋Š” ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”, ์Œ, ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
21:03
um, but then I might also want to readย  it aloud. Yes, recently...I think theย ย 
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์Œ, ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ๋‚ด์„œ ์ฝ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ, ์ตœ๊ทผ์—...์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
21:09
famous author Cormac McCarthy recently passedย  away, and his books are very dark and scary,ย ย 
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์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์ž‘๊ฐ€ Cormac McCarthy๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฑ…์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋‘ก๊ณ  ๋ฌด์„ญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:14
but I'm listening to his books read aloudย  by a professional actor. It's a very,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ „๋ฌธ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋‚ด์–ด ์ฝ์–ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ์•„์ฃผ,
21:24
um, powerful experience, and uh, so ifย  it's literature, if it's oriented towardsย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด๊ณ , ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฌธํ•™์ด๋ผ๋ฉด,
21:30
poetry or yes or literature that kind ofย  thing, you definitely want to hear it,ย ย 
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์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ง€ํ–ฅํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์˜ˆ, ๋ฌธํ•™ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€ํ–ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ,
21:36
um, you can read it out loud yourself, but it'sย  it's actually, you know, some some people areย ย 
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์Œ, ์ง์ ‘ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋‚ด์–ด ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋‚ด์–ด
21:41
really good at reading out loud. There areย  professional actors that read these books,ย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฌธ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์ฑ…,
21:46
these audiobooks, and it's pretty cool toย  listen to them. Yes. You can do that. Yes. Yes.ย ย 
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์˜ค๋””์˜ค๋ถ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฝค ๋ฉ‹์ ธ์š” . ์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ.
21:52
For academic books, um, I think rereading is okay.ย  I think it's good. but I think that science seemsย ย 
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ํ•™์ˆ  ์„œ์ ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์Œ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ณผํ•™์ด
22:00
to suggest that for academic books. you know. oneย  or two readings or rereadings is good. but youย ย 
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ํ•™์ˆ  ์„œ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ์ž–์•„. ํ•œ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ์ฝ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
22:05
actually want to quiz yourself on the material.ย  and that brings up a different whole set ofย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž๋ฃŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:10
subjects of how to go about quizzing yourself.ย  writing quiz questions. putting them on flashย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ „์ฒด ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ€ด์ฆˆ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ. ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ์— ๋„ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:15
cards. and things like that. That's the way. Ifย  you really want to remember material from a book,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ์ฑ…์˜ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค
22:20
it's better to quiz yourself on the materialย  than it is to actually reread it. At least,ย ย 
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์ž๋ฃŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ ์–ด๋„
22:25
that's what I've heard. No. True. There'sย  a couple things I love what you said.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:28
Um, first of all, because I I do have some poetryย  out there on my online store. I do. I've chose,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์šฐ์„  ๋‚ด ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ƒ์ ์— ์‹œ๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ์ €๋Š”
22:34
um, 15 poems and I read them becauseย  I want people to see them, read,ย ย 
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์Œ, 15ํŽธ์˜ ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ , ์ฝ์„
22:38
them but then also look at the text and read alongย  with me silently, enjoying it, because I do think,ย ย 
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๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ฝ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:44
yes, you can read, but you can also read alongย  listening to someone read. That's a differentย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ
22:50
experience. Right. It's a really interesting ideaย  that you mentioned that you have poetry out there.ย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
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Is it yours? Is it written for languageย  learners? No. Well ,I chose...there's twoย ย 
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๋‹น์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์„ฑ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š” ? ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
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poems that I wrote myself, the two originalย  ones, but in the collection, I chose, um,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ์“ด ์‹œ๊ฐ€ 2๊ฐœ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์›๋ณธ์€ 2 ๊ฐœ์ง€๋งŒ ์ปฌ๋ ‰์…˜์—์„œ ์Œ,
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poems that I've shared at livestreams. These areย  poems in the public domain, um, so Robert Frost,ย ย 
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๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆผ์—์„œ ๊ณต์œ ํ•œ ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๊ฐœ ๋„๋ฉ”์ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, Robert Frost,
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um, Dickinson. So things that are in the publicย  domain, and I go over some key vocabulary to makeย ย 
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์Œ, Dickinson. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ณต๊ฐœ ๋„๋ฉ”์ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜์—ฌ
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sure it's comprehensible, and then I really wantย  people just to enjoy the experience of listening.ย ย 
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์ดํ•ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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There's listening to understand, but when itย  comes to poetry, it is art. It's beautiful,ย ย 
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹œ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„
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and I just also want you to enjoy it. I wantย  the pleasure to be there from the listeningย ย 
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๋„ ์ฆ๊ฒจ์ฃผ์…จ์œผ๋ฉด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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experience -- to hear the music of the languageย  as well. It's out there. It's a cool thought.
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์–ธ์–ด์˜ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Yeah poetry works, um, for language learners. One,ย  because it's short and even though the text mightย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์‹œ๋Š” ์Œ, ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์—๊ฒŒ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜๋‚˜, ๊ธ€์ด ์งง๊ณ  ๊ธ€์ด
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be difficult, you have a a small amount of text,ย  so you can do it. But it also seems like thereย ย 
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์–ด๋ ค์›Œ๋„ ๊ธ€์˜ ์–‘์ด ์ ์œผ๋‹ˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜
23:50
might be a place for learner literature orientedย  poetry. Yes. We control the level a little bit,ย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต์ž ๋ฌธํ•™ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์˜ ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์žฅ์†Œ๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ ˆ๋ฒจ์„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์กฐ์ ˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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so that's kind of like a little bit of a thoughtย  I'm going to put it back in the back of my head.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์— ๋„ฃ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Language learner poetry. I've dabbled withย  my poetry, and the poetry that I've shared isย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž ์‹œ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์‹œ์— ์†์„ ๋Œ€์—ˆ๊ณ  , ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•œ ์‹œ๋Š”
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not too complex. Keeping that in mind, um,ย  but the other thing that you said is, um,ย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ณต์žกํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ ์„ ์—ผ๋‘์— ๋‘์„ธ์š”, ์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์Œ,
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there are texts available online for students toย  to read, and they're often somewhat short. You'reย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ข…์ข… ๋‹ค์†Œ ์งง๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
24:16
not reading a book, per se. It's usually a shortย  story or an article, and I would say when you'reย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๋กœ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์งง์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฉฐ,
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reading, you can read silently. There's often anย  option to listen and as you read along silently,ย ย 
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์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ต์…˜์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:29
which is a different experience. That couldย  be reading too, but also when you're done,ย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ , ๋‹ค ์ฝ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด
24:33
even if there are comprehension questions, Iย  like to encourage people pause, stop, reflect,ย ย 
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์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋”๋ผ๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ผ์‹œ ์ค‘์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ , ๋ฐ˜์„ฑ
24:38
and ask yourself, "What did I just read? Whatย  were the key points?" Quiz yourself. Can youย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ , ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ "๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์ง€? ์š”์ ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ์ง€?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ€ด์ฆˆ.
24:43
retell? Can you summarize? And then the stepย  further, especially with poetry, is can you react?ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์š”์•ฝํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ํŠนํžˆ ์‹œ์—์„œ ํ•œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
24:49
So you're not...it's not just thisย  isolated, passive experience, where,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€...์ด ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋˜๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋™์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:54
"Okay, I read. I got the input. Move on." Iย  think you want to work with the text, ideally,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:00
um, and I know.. Poetry seems to be perfect forย  that. Yes. Yes. Yes. I want a provoke thought. So,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ €๋„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.. ์‹œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ. ๋„๋ฐœ์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ,
25:04
hey, anybody interested in poetry...or you thinkย  you don't love poetry yet, check out my collectionย ย 
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์ด๋ด, ์‹œ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ...๋˜๋Š” ์•„์ง ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚ด ์ปฌ๋ ‰์…˜์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์„ ํƒํ•œ
25:09
and I might get you to love the poetry thatย  I've chosen. Um, something I know we bothย ย 
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์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ผ . ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜์˜
25:15
have in common is we've written texts for languageย  learners. Um, because we want people to read. Um,ย ย 
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๊ณตํ†ต์ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ธ€์„ ์ผ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๋Š”
25:21
how do you go about crafting the texts that youย  write for learners? What elements do you consider?ย ย 
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ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋‚˜์š” ? ์–ด๋–ค ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:28
Right, exactly. So, the problem is how can,ย  you know, the first problem of communication isย ย 
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๋งž์•„์š”. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š๋ƒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š”
25:34
getting someone's attention. I think, um that Chipย  and Dan Heath in their book Made to Stick saidย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—, ์Œ, Chip ๊ณผ Dan Heath๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ฑ… Made to Stick์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
25:39
that, but, um over the years, I've studied aboutย  story and how stories are structured, and so, um,ย ย 
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์Œ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ
25:48
one of the things that stories have, um, they callย  it the inciting incident or a critical incident.ย ย 
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๋˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฐ๊ตฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์„ ๋™์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด ๋˜๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:56
Um, in a murder mystery, it's the dead body onย  the street corner that somebody, you know, like inย ย 
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์Œ, ์‚ด์ธ ์ถ”๋ฆฌ์†Œ์„ค์—์„œ ๊ธธ๋ชจํ‰์ด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ์ฒด๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
25:59
Law & Order, they always start out with a criticalย  incident, and those Law & Order crime dramas.ย ย 
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Law & Order์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๊ณผ Law & Order ๋ฒ”์ฃ„ ๋“œ๋ผ๋งˆ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:05
Um, so recently, we've...me and another guy, um,ย  my colleague John and I have produced a set ofย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ €์™€ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚จ์ž, ์Œ, ์ œ ๋™๋ฃŒ John๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ณณ ์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ์šด๋™์„ ์ˆ˜์ธ
26:11
stories about sports for low-level Englishย  Learners who are athletes at a universityย ย 
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์ €๊ธ‰ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์Šคํฌ์ธ ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ผ๋ จ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
26:17
here in Japan. And um, we start out with aย  critical incident like a moment...we start outย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
26:24
in the action, so it's like, you know, let's sayย  right now in in Japan the baseball player Shoheiย ย 
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ํ–‰๋™์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์•ผ๊ตฌ ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์˜คํƒ€๋‹ˆ
26:31
Otani is a big deal. He's a world famous baseballย  player that's playing in America right now,ย ย 
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์‡ผํ—ค์ด๊ฐ€ ํฐ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋›ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์•ผ๊ตฌ ์„ ์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ
26:35
and you could say, you know, Shohei Otani was bornย  in Japan blah blah blah, and that's not reallyย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์˜คํƒ€๋‹ˆ ์‡ผํ—ค์ด๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
26:42
starting in the action. You want to say, youย  know, um, you know...we want you know...we wantย ย 
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์•ก์…˜์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ...์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:46
to you know Shohei stood at the at the plate,ย  and he swung the bat. You start in the action.ย ย 
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์‡ผํ—ค์ด๊ฐ€ ํƒ€์„์— ์„œ์„œ ๋ฐฐํŠธ๋ฅผ ํœ˜๋‘˜๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ–‰๋™์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:51
That's one thing, but then we want to...also he'sย  the main character. You want to have a characterย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”...๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์ธ๊ณต์ด๊ธธ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
26:56
in your story, but the character...to make himย  interesting and compelling, needs to be facingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์— ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ๊ฐ€... ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
27:02
something challenging, difficult. So um, theย  story experts call this conflict or trouble.ย ย 
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๋„์ „์ ์ด๊ณ  ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์— ์ง๋ฉดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์Œ, ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:09
And then the next thing is he's got to getย  out of the trouble or at least try. Right. So,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
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if he fails to get out of the trouble, orย  if he fails to hit a home run or whatever,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ณค๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ™ˆ๋Ÿฐ์„ ์น˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
27:19
then that's the sad ending. But if he'sย  successful, then you have the happy ending,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ƒˆ๋“œ์—”๋”ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•ดํ”ผ์—”๋”ฉ์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:23
so you have the critical incident, and then theย  character who experiences that and who experiencesย ย 
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ 
27:29
trouble in trying to get something and then triesย  to get out of it. Hopefully, he does at the end,ย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:34
so those three elements character plus troubleย  plus, I call it, um, attempted extrication. It'sย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์š”์†Œ์ธ ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ์™€ ๋ฌธ์ œ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์Œ, ๊ตฌ์ถœ์„ ์‹œ๋„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:44
actually not my word. It's another story expertย  by the name of Jonathan Gottschall, in his book,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ œ ๋ง์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ์˜ ์ €์„œ The Storytelling Animal์—์„œ Jonathan Gottschall์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:49
The Storytelling Animal. So, it's characterย  plus conflict plus attempted extrication.
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. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ ๋”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ ๋”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๊ตฌ์ถœ ์‹œ๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:56
Because it just means try to get out of trouble.ย  So yes, getting out. Right. So yeah, you'reย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚˜๊ฐ€. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
28:03
more of a master storyteller than I am. When Iย  write my texts, I tend to do, um, non-fiction,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐ ์Šคํ† ๋ฆฌํ…”๋Ÿฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์“ธ ๋•Œ, ์Œ, ๋…ผํ”ฝ์…˜์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด
28:07
and I'm looking at high frequency words, but youย  are leaning towards those happy endings, likeย ย 
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์žˆ๊ณ , ๋นˆ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ํ•ดํ”ผ์—”๋”ฉ์— ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:15
overcoming something, extricating, um, oneselfย  out of the situation, so I think I think oneย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
28:22
thread that we have in common, hopefully not justย  the only one, but one very important thread isย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์Šค๋ ˆ๋“œ, ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ์Šค๋ ˆ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์Šค๋ ˆ๋“œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€
28:28
positivity. That element of positivity. And to me,ย  it's become very important. You talk about whatย ย 
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์–‘์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๊ธ์ •์˜ ์š”์†Œ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ด์ •์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:36
you're passionate about. Um, one of my passionsย  is "Happy studies!" And I really do mean it fromย ย 
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. ์Œ, ์ œ ์—ด์ • ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” 'ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ๊ณต๋ถ€!'์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:41
the heart because I want the overall experience toย  be a positive one. Not all of it is going to be,ย ย 
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์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งˆ์Œ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ์ง„์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ถ€๋Š” ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:48
um laughter and happy...There's alwaysย  going to be challenges in any experience,ย ย 
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์Œ ์›ƒ์Œ๊ณผ ํ–‰๋ณต... ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด๋“  ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋„์ „์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:55
um, but I do overall want languageย  learning to be a positive experience. Soย ย 
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์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:00
given that you focus on positivity as youย  write your own text, why do you feel thatย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ ๊ธ์ •์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
29:10
positive psychology has a place in languageย  learning? Yeah. That's a great question, and weย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—์„œ ๊ธ์ • ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌํ•™์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ์‘. ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
29:17
talked about this a little bit before, but it'sย  like learning a second language is kind of, um,ย ย 
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ „์— ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ œ 2์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜, ์Œ,
29:24
it's...when you're speaking in a second language,ย  you feel like you can't be your full self. Yeah.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€... ์ œ2์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ์ž์•„. ์‘.
29:31
Recently, I was hearing...listening to a vocalย  coach say that uh your voice is your personalityย ย 
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์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ €๋Š”...๋ณด์ปฌ ์ฝ”์น˜๊ฐ€ ์–ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:39
and and, in a sense, it's kind of like hard toย  truly express my voice in a second language,ย ย 
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29:45
and therefore, my personality doesn't come all theย  way out. Yeah. Um and so that's stressful. That's,ย ย 
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๋๊นŒ์ง€ ์˜ค์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š” . ์‘. ์Œ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
29:52
you know, we talk about in language teachingย  the affective filter. Right. The level ofย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ๊ต์œก์—์„œ ์ •์„œ์  ํ•„ํ„ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
29:57
stress that a learner feels in learning a secondย  language, and that stress can hinder or stopย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ œ2 ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ๋•Œ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€
30:03
learning and acquisition, so, um, we need to beย  encouraged and inspired and feel empowered...feelย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ์Šต๋“์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ค‘๋‹จํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฉ๋ ค์™€ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ํž˜์„ ์–ป์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
30:10
power so that we can we can speak and learnย  and express ourselves in a foreign language.ย ย 
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ํž˜์„ ๋Š๊ปด์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:17
And so I've got on my website...I've got a lotย  of stories that are based on positive psychology,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—... ๊ธ์ • ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌํ•™์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:23
based on research in positive psychology, butย  made very simple and easy to understand forย ย 
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๊ธ์ • ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌํ•™ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:29
English language learners. So in a word, that'sย  my answer to your question. I hope that coversย ย 
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. ํ•œ๋งˆ๋””๋กœ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์˜€์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:35
it. Yeah, it does. It does. And I thoughtย  of another thread that we do have in common.ย ย 
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. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์Šค๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:39
Um, as a writer, you draw from experiences, andย  obviously our life experiences extend beyond ESL,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋กœ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ€์„ ์”๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ESL์„ ๋„˜์–ด ํ™•์žฅ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:47
um, you know, teaching English as a second orย  foreign language, and I'm curious to ask...Iย ย 
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30:52
know a little bit about your other interests,ย  um, other than being a teacher. How have otherย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์‚ฌ, ์Œ, ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ง๊ณ ์š”. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ
30:59
experiences informed your teaching, your writing?ย  What have you drawn from, like, what, yes,ย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์นจ๊ณผ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋‚˜์š”? ESL ์™ธ๋ถ€์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋Œ์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
31:07
what have you drawn from outside of ESL? Sure,ย  um, I'll just give one answer about that. So,ย ย 
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? ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
31:13
my family, all of my my parents, my grandparents,ย  my grandfather, and my son, they're all musicians.ย ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜, ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜, ํ• ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€, ์•„๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์Œ์•…๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:20
Um, I also am a ukulele hobbyist,ย  um, but there's something aboutย ย 
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์Œ, ์ €๋„ ์ทจ๋ฏธ ์šฐ์ฟจ๋ ๋ ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
31:29
two aspects of music. There's this technicalย  side of music, the technical skill,ย ย 
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์Œ์•…์—๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ธก๋ฉด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ์•…์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด, ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ,
31:34
and you need to be able...you need to be able toย  play the notes. You need to be able to finger theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์Œ์„ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:38
the ukulele correctly, play the notes. Right. Yourย  technical skill is important, but you also need,ย ย 
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์šฐ์ฟจ๋ ๋ ˆ๋ฅผ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ์งš๊ณ  ์Œ์„ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ ฅ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
31:45
um, for lack of a better word, showmanshi,pย  charisma. Um, and in language teaching andย ย 
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์Œ, ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‡ผ๋งจ์‹œ, p ์นด๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด ๊ต์œก๊ณผ
31:52
language learning, we need skill -- technique,ย  grammar, technical parts of language, but weย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ , ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•, ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
31:58
also need, um, communicative energy, like youย  know, the energy to communicate well, and that'sย ย 
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์Œ, ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ์ž˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋Š”
32:07
something that we can always develop and grow.ย  Even as a native speaker of English, I can I canย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ฑ์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋„
32:12
always work and to try to change and transform,ย  um, to power up my communicative energy. So,ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์†Œํ†ต ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ,
32:21
from the world of music, Iย  kind of can see how that fits,ย ย 
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์Œ์•…์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
32:25
um, into the world of communication or goesย  both ways from the world of communication itย ย 
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์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆ์ผ€์ด์…˜์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋งž๋Š”์ง€, ์Œ, ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆ์ผ€์ด์…˜์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์–‘๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
32:29
also goes into the world of music. So yes, yes.ย  What you're saying makes me think of the conceptย ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ ์Œ์•…์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๋„ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
32:34
of self-esteem, and how it's not just that oneย  person feels confident overall in every aspectย ย 
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์ž์กด๊ฐ์˜ ๊ฐœ๋…๊ณผ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์‚ถ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:40
of their life. There can be certain situationsย  where the self-esteem lowers. Right. It decreases,ย ย 
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. ์ž์กด๊ฐ์ด ๋‚ฎ์•„์ง€๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ฐ์†Œ
32:47
and I felt that, um,...every day...yeah. Yes,ย  as a...aspiring, I'm not aspiring, I am partlyย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ,...๋งค์ผ...๋„ค. ์˜ˆ, ... ์ง€๋ง์ƒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ, ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๋ง์ƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
32:55
a musician in that I can play the piano, andย  I can play a little bit on the accordion,ย ย 
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ํ”ผ์•„๋…ธ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์•„์ฝ”๋””์–ธ์„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ
33:00
um, but you know my confidence lowers a bit whenย  I'm asked to perform for other people because Iย ย 
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์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ณต์—ฐํ•˜๋ผ๋Š” ์š”์ฒญ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
33:06
haven't done it as much. Um, you know, putย  me in front of a large group of students,ย ย 
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. ์Œ, ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ์•ž์— ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”.
33:10
I get excited and energized. I have experienceย  doing that. Put me on a stage with a piano, and myย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์‹ ๋‚˜๊ณ  ํž˜์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”ผ์•„๋…ธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ค๋ฅด๋ฉด
33:16
hands start shaking. I know the feeling. But I'veย  recently overcome that ...at least faced the fearย ย 
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์†์ด ๋–จ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ์•ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ...์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‘๋ ค์›€์— ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๊ณ 
33:23
and done it, and I think that's something thatย  I've drawn from to build my overall confidence,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:30
and also again, I seek out those experiencesย  occasionally, here and there, to remember whatย ย 
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33:37
it is like to put yourself out there and overcomeย  fears, or at least face them. The first thing isย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋‚ด์–ด๋†“๊ณ  ๋‘๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š”
33:44
just to face them, and I I did that. Recently,ย  I have not...I've never...I had never done aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ์—, ๋‚˜๋Š”...ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„...ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„...ํ•œ๋ฒˆ๋„
33:48
recital, and then I recently said yes to one, andย  I got on stage and played, and I made mistakes. Itย ย 
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๋ฆฌ์‚ฌ์ดํ‹€์„ ํ•ด๋ณธ์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ํ•˜๋‚˜์— ์˜ˆ์Šค๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ผ์„œ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
33:54
wasn't perfect, but I was so happy that I just didย  it, and it made me feel better for having tried,ย ย 
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ธฐ๋ปค๊ณ  , ์‹œ๋„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋” ์ข‹์•„์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:01
and I think that's something that I can bring nowย  to my teaching to remember the courage that itย ย 
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34:07
takes to try and to put yourself out there. That'sย  a good point. It's a good point in the sense thatย ย 
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์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋„ฃ์–ด. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด์•ผ. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
34:14
it helps you feel what your students might beย  feeling when they're asked to speak up in class,ย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜์—… ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋ฐœ์–ธํ•˜๋„๋ก ์š”์ฒญ๋ฐ›์•˜์„ ๋•Œ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ์ •์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
34:21
for example. Yes. I remember being called onย  in my Japanese class once, and I could feelย ย 
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. ์˜ˆ. ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์€ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์— ๋ถˆ๋ ค๊ฐ„ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
34:26
my heart pounding out as the 25 students waitedย  for me to make a fool of myself, you know, soย ย 
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25๋ช…์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋ณด์ง“์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€์Šด์ด ๋‘๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
34:33
um yeah. So, it is good to put yourself outย  there and remember what it's like to be inย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋†“๊ณ 
34:40
a not necessarily a panic situation,...no...butย  uh but uh an uncomfortable enough situation thatย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๊ณตํ™ฉ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
34:46
pushes you to grow. Yes. Agreed. Agreed. Oh goodย  conversation. We can go on and on, but we're goingย ย 
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. ์˜ˆ. ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค ์ข‹์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ณ„์†ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
34:52
to end soon. My final question is...you mentionedย  only in passing "my site," but can you tell us,ย ย 
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๊ณง ๋๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€...๋‹น์‹ ์€ '๋‚ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ'๋ฅผ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ๋งŒ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
35:00
um, what would you like learners to know aboutย  the site that you offer? What do you offer?ย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์•Œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
35:05
What's there? What's available? Sure. Maybe Iย  can send you some screenshots later or something,ย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ์ƒท์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
35:10
but my website is called ReadOasis.com, and it'sย  been online for about 12 years now, maybe more.ย ย 
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์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ReadOasis.com์ด๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ƒํƒœ์ธ ์ง€ ์•ฝ 12๋…„, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:18
Um, and basically, the the taglineย  is "Learn English with stories."ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์Šฌ๋กœ๊ฑด์€ '์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ'์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:24
Um, we've got a few other words here. Itย  says, "Power up your English for work andย ย 
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์Œ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์ง์žฅ๊ณผ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•˜์„ธ์š”
35:27
school. Learn the fun, fast, better wayย  with stories." And um, we have...a it's aย ย 
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. ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋น ๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์„ธ์š” ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”...
35:34
premium site, but we have three tiers that peopleย  can sign up for, um, and uh I'd be happy to tellย ย 
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ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ณ„์ธต์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:42
you about those now if you'd like, I could doย  that, um, so we have a a Lifetime Master Plan,ย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ‰์ƒ ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐ ํ”Œ๋žœ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:48
which is a pretty expensive one $247 for lifetimeย  access. It includes two live coaching sessions.ย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ํ‰์ƒ ์•ก์„ธ์Šค์— 247๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋น„์‹ผ ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ์ฝ”์นญ ์„ธ์…˜์ด ํฌํ•จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:56
Um, the goal for that group would be, like, tryย  to read two million words, which experts seemย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” 200๋งŒ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€ ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€
36:00
to say equals about one year of study abroad inย  an English-speaking country. We have a one-yearย ย 
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์—์„œ ์•ฝ 1๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์œ ํ•™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
36:05
access for the Expert Plan, we call it, for $79.ย  And the goal for that one would be try to readย ย 
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$79์— Expert Plan์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” 1๋…„ ์•ก์„ธ์Šค ๊ถŒํ•œ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š”
36:12
500,000 words in maybe a year. And then I have theย  Cup of Coffee plan, which is$5.97 a month, and youย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ 1๋…„์— 500,000๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— 5.97๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์ธ Cup of Coffee ์š”๊ธˆ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
36:21
can cancel anytime. All of these you can cancelย  after one month and get a whole full refund.ย ย 
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์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ์ทจ์†Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ ํ›„์— ์ทจ์†Œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ „์•ก ํ™˜๋ถˆ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:27
Um, but since we're doing this together, um, Iย  thought I would offer a discount... pretty bigย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทผ๋ฐ ๊ฐ™์ด ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์Œ, ํ• ์ธ์„ ํ•ด์ค„๊นŒ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ...
36:32
one of 20% with the coupon code "Jennifer," so um,ย  if anybody wants to sign up using the coupon codeย ย 
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์ฟ ํฐ ์ฝ”๋“œ "Jennifer"๋กœ 20% ์ค‘ ๊ฝค ํฐ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์Œ, ์ฟ ํฐ ์ฝ”๋“œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
36:40
"Jennifer," you can get a 20% off. Yeah. Pleaseย  and um, that's a pretty big discount, so I thinkย ย 
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"์ œ๋‹ˆํผ" 20% ํ• ์ธ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์Œ, ์Œ , ๊ฝค ํฐ ํ• ์ธ์ด๋‹ˆ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
36:47
it's a pretty good deal, and the site's been usedย  by thousands of learners. It's stood the test ofย ย 
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๊ฝค ์ข‹์€ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜์ด๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ์‹œํ—˜์„ ๊ฒฌ๋ŽŒ๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
36:54
time. I think people will probably enjoy it, andย  get a lot out of it if they were to use it. Soย ย 
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. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
37:00
and again texts at their level -- interesting,ย  engaging, compelling. Lots of rich features.ย ย 
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ , ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ , ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ’๋ถ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:08
Audio and uh different things. You know, there'sย  a lot of different features, um, goal setting andย ย 
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์˜ค๋””์˜ค์™€ ์–ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค. ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ, ์Œ, ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์„ค์ •,
37:14
audio and 10 different levels ,and there's quizzesย  on high frequency vocabulary. There's a lot ofย ย 
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์˜ค๋””์˜ค ๋ฐ 10๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ ˆ๋ฒจ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ž์ฃผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:20
material on the website, so if you're lookingย  for a way to integrate reading into your studiesย ย 
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์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์ž๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋…์„œ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์— ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
37:25
because you feel you have not given this skillย  enough attention, this is a possibility...andย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ ...
37:30
affordable. Yeah...yeah. Joey, thank you so muchย  for taking the time to talk with me and to shareย ย 
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์ €๋ ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜...๊ทธ๋ž˜. ์กฐ์ด, ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ด์–ด ๋‚˜์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ 
37:35
everything you did. Look forward to another chanceย  to talk to you. Awesome. All right. Thank you.ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜์„ธ์š” . ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:44
I hope you enjoyed the interview with Joey.ย  He's a dedicated educator who wants to offerย ย 
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Joey์™€์˜ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š”
37:49
quality reading resources to engage learnersย  and help them build fluency. On ReadOasis.com,ย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์œ ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์„ ์Œ“๋„๋ก ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–‘์งˆ์˜ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ํ—Œ์‹ ์ ์ธ ๊ต์œก์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ReadOasis.com์—์„œ
37:56
Joey has carefully crafted texts for languageย  learners. You can read for pleasure, read toย ย 
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Joey๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“  ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ๊ณ , ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ๊ณ 
38:04
learn, read to get inspired, and read to buildย  your English language skills. On ReadOasis.com,ย ย 
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, ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ๊ณ , ์˜์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ReadOasis.com์—์„œ
38:11
you can use the coupon code "Jennifer" to receiveย  your exclusive 20% at checkout. I'll put the linkย ย 
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์ฟ ํฐ ์ฝ”๋“œ 'Jennifer'๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฒฐ์ œ ์‹œ ๋…์  20%๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:19
in the video description. Thanks again to Joeyย  for sharing the discount, his expertise, and hisย ย 
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๋™์˜์ƒ ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ• ์ธ, ์ „๋ฌธ์„ฑ, ์—ด์ •์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹  Joey์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
38:27
passion. That's all for now. Please remember toย  like and share the video if you found it useful.ย ย 
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. ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์œ ์šฉํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ข‹์•„์š”๋ฅผ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๊ณ  ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
38:33
And hey! Check out my poetry collection. It's oneย  of the digital downloads I'm currently offering.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ด! ๋‚ด ์‹œ์ง‘์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”! Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon์—์„œ ์ €๋ฅผ ํŒ”๋กœ์šฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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