Polyglot Shares How To Become Fluent Faster! Interview with Steve Kaufmann

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Today I interview famous polyglotย  Steve Kaufman and he reveals theย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋Š” ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด์ฃผ์˜์ž ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ์นด์šฐํ”„๋งŒ์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š”
00:05
exact method he used to learn over 20 languages.
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20๊ฐœ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:09
How he successfully learns languages as an.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋Š”๊ฐ€.
00:12
Older adult the.
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๋…ธ์ธ์€.
00:14
Two most important things.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€.
00:16
When learning any language.
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์–ด๋–ค ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ.
00:18
The real reason you're nervousย  to speak in public and more.
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๋Œ€์ค‘ ์•ž์—์„œ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธด์žฅ๋˜๋Š” ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ ์™€ ๊ทธ ์™ธ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€.
00:23
Let's start the interview.
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์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:25
Welcome back, Steve, it isย  so great to have you here.
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์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
I'm happy to be here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์™€์„œ ๊ธฐ์˜๋„ค์š”.
00:31
I have an idea for you.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
00:33
So there's so much information online and commonย  personal beliefs about how to learn a language.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด์™€ ๊ณตํ†ต๋œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์  ์‹ ๋…์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:41
Now, given your experience, I'd loveย  to share a common belief with you andย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ณตํ†ต๋œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
then see if you think it's true orย  false and then you can explain why.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ธ์ง€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ์ง€ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:53
How does that sound to you sounds?
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋‚˜์š”?
00:54
Good.
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์ข‹์€.
00:55
OK, and for all my studentsย  watching participate as well.
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ๋„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
00:59
So after I.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ œ๊ฐ€
01:00
Share the statement.
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๊ทธ ์ง„์ˆ ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:01
You can say if it's true or false in the commentsย  and then see how your answer compares to Steve's.
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๋Œ“๊ธ€์— ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ธ์ง€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ์ง€ ์ ์–ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ , ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ์˜ ๋‹ต๋ณ€๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ์ง€ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
01:08
All right, Steve, true or false.
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์ข‹์•„, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋“  ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ด๋“ .
01:11
Adults, especially olderย  adults, can truly become fluent.
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์„ฑ์ธ, ํŠนํžˆ ๋…ธ๋…„์ธต์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:18
OK, first of all, I think Iย  qualify as an older adult.
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ์šฐ์„  ์ €๋Š” ๋‚˜์ด ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์— ์†ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
It's funny because what's oldย  like for someone 1540 years old?
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์žฌ๋ฐŒ๋Š” ๊ฑด, 1540์‚ด์ด ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
01:30
I think there are two issues.
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:32
There is does age affect your ability to learn?
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๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ํ•™์Šต ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์นฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
01:35
And the second thing is,ย  what do we mean by fluent?
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ, ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€?
01:41
Yes, I'm so glad.
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01:41
Actually, that was going toย  be my follow up question.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์˜๋„ค์š”.
์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ ํ›„์† ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋  ๋ป”ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:44
So if you want, before we go anyย  further, let's just define fluency.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋” ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ •์˜ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
So what does being fluentย  in a language mean to you?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Šฅํ†ตํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์˜๋ฏธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
01:52
To me, the best definition of fluent is thatย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์ •์˜๋Š” ๋งํ•˜๋Š”
01:56
you feel comfortable and the personย  listening to you feels comfortable.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋А๋ผ๊ณ , ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋А๋‚€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
So obviously, if I'm havingย  trouble getting my meaning across,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด,
02:06
I'm not comfortable and I'm not fluent.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
If I can get my meaning across and, andย  it has to be on a wide range of subjects.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:13
It can't just be, I'll haveย  another cup of coffee please.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ž–์•„์š” . ์ปคํ”ผ ํ•œ ์ž” ๋” ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
02:17
You, you can't, it can't be onย  something very, very limited.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”, ๋งค์šฐ , ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”.
02:19
You, you or what's the weather like?
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๋‹น์‹ , ๋‹น์‹  ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‚ ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋•Œ์š”?
02:21
You have to be able to talkย  about a variety of subjects.
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
What are your kids doing?
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
02:25
What do you do at work?
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์—ญ์‚ฌ, ์ •์น˜ ๋“ฑ,
02:27
What do you think of, you know,ย  history, politics, you name it.
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
02:30
You have to be able to talk about aย  variety of subjects with mistakes,ย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ
02:34
but where you feel comfortable and theย  person listening feels comfortable.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋А๋ผ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋А๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
And you know that if you speakย  to someone who doesn't speak sayย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด
02:42
English in my case very well, I'm not comfortable.
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ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:45
If the person is struggling,ย  I'll, if I speak their language,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด,
02:49
I'll switch to that, switch to their language.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์„œ ๋งํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”.
02:51
So to me, the key thing is that you canย  express yourself on a variety of things.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
02:55
You're comfortable.
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ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ตฐ์š”.
02:56
Even though I'm aware that I make mistakes,ย  I'm comfortable getting my MENA across,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด MENA๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์ด ์—†๊ณ , ๋‚ด ๋ง์„
03:01
and I have the feeling that theย  person listening is also comfortable.
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๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๋‚€๋‹ค.
03:04
That's fluency.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด์—์š”.
03:05
It doesn't mean perfect.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๋” ๋งํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š”
03:07
It doesn't mean that I don't forget the oddย  word that I don't occasionally have to say.
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์ด์ƒํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
03:11
I beg your pardon?
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๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”?
03:12
Could you repeat that, please?
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
03:14
All of that is fine.
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:15
It's still within the range ofย  what I consider to be fluent.
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์•„์ง์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฒ”์œ„ ๋‚ด์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:20
Fluent doesn't mean perfect.
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์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:22
I'm glad you clarified that.
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๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:24
Now going back to the first question,ย  so let's say adults, older adults.
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์ด์ œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ, ์–ด๋ฅธ, ๋‚˜์ด๋“  ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค.
03:30
So this like you said could be anything.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด๊ฑด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:32
But let's say someone trying to learn aย  language in their 40s and after they true,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 40๋Œ€์— ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ
03:39
they can't truly become fluent.
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๋Š” ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
OK, well I would say that thatย  my real interest in learning aย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€
03:46
lot more languages started when I was 55 South.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์ง„ ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ 55์„ธ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:51
Hey.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์š”.
03:52
And most of my languages, I have learnedย  them as an adult, like past the age of 20.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ 20์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋„˜์€ ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋˜์–ด์„œ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
So theoretically, based on what I have, you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ด๋ก ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฝ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ
04:03
based on my reading, we may loseย  some ability to learn languages.
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ํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์žƒ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:09
We may have more troubleย  retrieving things from our memory.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์–ต์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:13
We may learn a little more slowly,ย  but the difference is not great.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋А๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ํฌ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:18
There may be some difference,ย  but it's not a big A far moreย ย 
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํฐ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋”
04:21
important issue is motivationย  and how much time you spend.
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ ์™€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋А๋ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:26
So if you are motivated and you putย  in the time and make no mistake,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹ค์ˆ˜ ์—†์ด
04:30
you've got to put in the time and you've gotย  to put in the time in an intelligent way.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ง€์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:34
In other words, put in the time withย  the language, not reading explanationsย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ์–ธ์–ด
04:39
in your own language about the languageย  for the, you know, 10th time reading anย ย 
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์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
explanation about tenses in English, whichย  even I can't understand the explanations.
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์˜์–ด ์‹œ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์—ด ๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์ฝ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋„ ๊ทธ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐ
04:49
If you spend your time doingย  that, you won't improve much.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ—ˆ๋น„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:51
But if you spend your time, lots of time withย  the language, listening to things of interest,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  , ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ ,
04:56
reading things of interest, if you enjoyย  the process, you have a positive attitude.
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์ฝ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธด๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:01
I don't care whether you're 506070 and I'm almostย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด 506070์ด๋“ , ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ณง
05:05
80 and I don't think we weย  don't slow down very much.
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80์‚ด์ด๋“ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณ„๋กœ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋Šฆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:09
We don't slow down very much.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†๋„๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋Šฆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:11
Well I'm so glad you said that because many of myย  students say directly to me or in the comments ofย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ ์ค‘ ๋‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ง์ ‘ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์ƒ์— ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ
05:17
videos, oh I'm in my 30s or 40s so I can't becomeย  fluent and you just proved that is clearly false.
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, "์ €๋Š” 30๋Œ€, 40๋Œ€๋ผ์„œ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๋ง์”€์ด ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ž„์„ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ฆ๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
And I love what you said about motivation as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ง๋„ ์ฐธ ์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”.
05:30
I have learned I, I, I would think 10/11/12ย  languages since the age of 50 like if not more.
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์ €๋Š” 50์„ธ ์ด์ƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 10/11/12๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:37
I have to go through the list, but theย  bulk of them since since the age of 50.
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๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ๋‹ค ์‚ดํŽด๋ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ 50์„ธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด์š”.
05:41
And some of those languages I speakย  quite well, some I speak less well.
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๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค ์ค‘์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
05:45
But again, as long as you enjoy whatย  you're doing in the language, you're not.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ•œ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:50
It's not a horse race.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฒฝ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:51
You're not competing with anyone.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์™€๋„ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:53
So whatever my language level, excuseย  me in the languages, I'm happy.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ œ ์–ธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ์–ด๋–ป๋“ , ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์–‘ํ•ดํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:59
Now you said some of themย  you speak better than others.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ž˜ ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
06:03
Is there a reason why it doesn'tย  come back to your motivation toย ย 
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06:07
learn that language or the amount ofย  time you just spend in that language?
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๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด์— ํˆฌ์žํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
06:12
So I mean, there's there's comprehensionย  and then there's the ability to speak.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
06:20
So my approach to language learning isย  very much focused in on comprehension,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ, ์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ์ดํ•ด์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถฐ
06:25
like listening and reading,ย  building up my vocabulary.
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์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:28
So I have languages where Iย  have very good comprehension,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
06:31
but I don't speak them that well becauseย  I have a limited opportunity to use them.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ œํ•œ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ž˜ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:36
So the languages that I speak the best are theย  ones that I have used the most, speak the best.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๋˜ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๊ณ , ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:43
However, to get to where you can speak a lot,ย  you need a lot of comprehension and vocabulary.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:50
So you have to begin with getting thatย  vocabulary and comprehension going.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์šฐ์„  ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:56
So yeah, I, the ones that I speak the best,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋Š”
06:59
the top four I've spoken the most, but there areย  languages where I don't speak in that badly andย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•œ ์ƒ์œ„ 4๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ชป ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
07:06
I haven't had much opportunity to speak themย  at all because again, I have, again, accordingย ย 
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๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋„ ๋ณ„๋กœ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:12
to our statistics at link, I have, you know,ย  vocabulary of 50,000 words in these languages.
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์ €ํฌ ๋งํฌ์˜ ํ†ต๊ณ„์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, ์ œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์€ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋“ค๋กœ 5๋งŒ ๊ฐœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:17
So it wouldn't take long.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:19
If you have a good level of vocabulary andย  comprehension and you are given an opportunity,ย ย 
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:24
if you should move to Costa Rica, for example, andย  you have a a large vocabulary in Spanish and goodย ย 
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, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ฝ”์Šคํƒ€๋ฆฌ์นด๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์ด ํ’๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ 
07:29
comprehension and you have opportunity toย  speak there, you will very quickly improve.
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์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ์ด ์ข‹์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ฃผ
07:35
That is an excellent point, and it leads intoย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€
07:38
another true or false statementย  I'd like to get your opinion on.
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๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฐธ/๊ฑฐ์ง“ ์ง„์ˆ ์ด ๋„์ถœ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
07:42
So what about this one?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด๊ฑด ์–ด๋•Œ์š”? ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋„๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ
07:44
You can't become fluent if you live in aย  country where the language isn't widely spoken.
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์— ์‚ด๋ฉด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
07:52
So I'm always, I always remember when I Iย  wrote a book about language learning andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ, ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ฑ…์„ ์ผ์„ ๋•Œ,
07:59
the book was sold in China.
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๊ทธ ์ฑ…์ด ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ํŒ”๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:02
And so I went to China to promote the book.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ฑ…์„ ํ™๋ณดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ค‘๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
And I was at a university in China,ย  which was a sort of foreign language of.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ณณ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด ํ•™๊ต์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:10
Why Yusha?
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์™œ ์œ ์ƒค์ธ๊ฐ€?
08:11
Yeah, in Beijing, where they study foreignย  languages, and I had these kids who are kids,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ๋ฒ ์ด์ง•์—์„œ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์–ด๋ฆฐ
08:15
students, come up to me, speakย  to me in Japanese, in French,ย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™€์„œ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด, ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด,
08:20
in English, and they were so fluentย  and they had never left China, OK.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋ง์„ ๊ฑธ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์ฐฝํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ค‘๊ตญ์„ ๋– ๋‚œ ์ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:26
On the other hand, in Canada, as you know,ย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด, ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์—๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ 30๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ
08:30
we have immigrants who have lived in Canadaย  for 30 years and can hardly speak English.
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์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:35
And so it's very much a matterย  of, again, motivation and time.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ, ๋™๊ธฐ์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:41
Students in China wanted to learn, spent theย  time and went at it in a very focused way.
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์ค‘๊ตญ์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์„œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋“ค์ด๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:48
And they were extremely fluent.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์ฐฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
And immigrants from China who haveย  lived in Canada for 30 years stillย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  30๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์— ์‚ด์•˜๋˜ ์ค‘๊ตญ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ
08:54
can't speak English because they're notย  motivated and they don't put in the time.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:59
So I.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
09:00
Think it's health how?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ์š”?
09:01
Having said that, of course you need theย  opportunity to speak eventually, you know.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•Œ์ฃ .
09:08
And so obviously if you live in theย  country where the language is spoken,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
09:11
you have more opportunity to speak.
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๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:13
So it's a better environment for the learningย  the language, but it's not a condition you canย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด์ง€๋งŒ , ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ
09:17
improve tremendously even if you're not inย  the country where the language is spoken.
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์— ์—†๋”๋ผ๋„ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ๊ฑด์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:22
And being in the country where the language isย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ
09:24
spoken is no guarantee that you're somehowย  automatically going to learn the language.
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์ž๋™์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ณด์žฅ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:29
You still have to put in the effort.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์€ ํ•ด์•ผ์ฃ .
09:31
Yeah, exactly.
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๋„ค, ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
09:32
And like you said, I'm sure we can all think ofย  where we live, non-native speakers in the countryย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๋Œ€๋กœ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ ,
09:37
where we live and know that they don't speak theย  language fluently even though they live there.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:43
Now what about this nextย  statement that I hear commonly?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ”ํžˆ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ง์€ ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
09:47
You must speak directly with nativeย  speakers if you're in the country,ย ย 
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ํ•ด๋‹น ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์ง์ ‘ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
09:53
or it could be Zoom online, doesn't matter where,ย  but you must speak directly with native speakersย ย 
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Zoom ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฅ์†Œ๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:59
to improve your language or become fluent.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์ง์ ‘ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:02
What do you think?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
10:03
True or false?
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์ง„์‹ค์ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ๊ฐ€?
10:04
Well, I don't like the word must.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” '๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ'๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
10:06
However, two things there 1ย  is motivation is so important.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . 1. ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:12
So if I'm learning Persian or Greek or Chinese,ย  I want to learn, I want to speak to a person fromย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์Šค์–ด๋‚˜ ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:21
that language background because to me Persianย  is about Iran, you know, Chinese is about China.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด๋Š” ์ด๋ž€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:29
English is a different situationย  because people learn English.
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์˜์–ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:34
Well, it depends where they are.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์š”.
10:35
I mean, if they, if they areย  in an English speaking country,ย ย 
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
10:38
they're learning English to communicateย  better with the people in that country.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋” ์ž˜ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:42
Canada, US, England, Australia, wherever.
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์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ์˜๊ตญ, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ์–ด๋””๋“ .
10:45
However, English is an international bank.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜์–ด๋Š” ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ธ ์€ํ–‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:48
So if you are Japanese and you're going to Brazil,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผ๋ณธ์ธ์ด๊ณ  ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์— ๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋ฉด,
10:52
you're going to speak English inย  Brazil unless you know Portuguese.
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ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:56
So English is the language you used to communicateย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์˜์–ด๋Š”
10:59
with people from Brazil, from Korea, fromย  India, from, you know, Iran, from wherever.
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ, ํ•œ๊ตญ, ์ธ๋„, ์ด๋ž€ ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์˜€์ฃ .
11:05
So in that sense, for someone learningย  English, it doesn't matter as much.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:11
And you should get used to hearing peopleย  speaking with different accents and,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•…์„ผํŠธ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ ธ์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
11:19
and in a way, if you're learning a language.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
So motivation is one reason why I wouldย  prefer to speak to a native speaker.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:25
But the the key thing inย  language learning is vocabulary.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ดํœ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:30
So if you're speaking to a non-nativeย  speaker who has a broad vocabulary andย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋น„ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ,
11:34
if that conversation is authentic, then Iย  don't mind speaking to a non-native speaker.
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ง„์งœ๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ €๋Š” ๋น„ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊บผ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:40
But if it's a sort of aย  artificial learning exercise,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ธ์œ„์ ์ธ ํ•™์Šต ํ™œ๋™์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
11:44
or where a group of Japaneseย  learners sitting in a classroom,ย ย 
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๊ต์‹ค์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด
11:47
we're all speaking with the same Japaneseย  accent, I don't think that's so useful.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ์•…์„ผํŠธ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ผ๋ฉด , ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณ„๋กœ ์œ ์šฉํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:52
So I guess the nuance is that personally I'mย  more motivated to speak to a native speaker,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋‰˜์•™์Šค๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋” ์„ ํ˜ธ
11:57
but English is a special case becauseย  it's such an international language.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜์–ด๋Š” ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
12:00
Yeah, what an interesting perspective.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ด€์ ์ด๋„ค์š”.
12:02
I'm sure you've really got my studentsย  thinking about how they perceive thisย ย 
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์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ •๋ง ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
12:08
because a lot of times they say, oh, Iย  don't want to practice speaking becauseย ย 
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์ข…์ข… "์•„,
12:13
it's not with a native speaker, but withย  English being so international like.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ด์–ด์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
12:17
You said that's a.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:18
Really good point, right?
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด์ฃ ?
12:19
But it's a matter of motivation.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฑด ๋™๊ธฐ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ˆ์š”.
12:21
If a person really wants to speak to a nativeย  speaker, then that's what they should do.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:25
The big thing in languageย  learning is do what motivates you.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:29
Yeah, Do what motivates you.
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๋„ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:30
What a simple thing.
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์ธ๊ฐ€.
12:31
Do what motivates you.
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:33
Very true.
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
12:34
Now, I know you emphasizeย  the importance of expandingย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ €๋Š”
12:38
your vocabulary, and readingย  is a key for you, I believe.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋…์„œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:43
So perhaps you can explain why you think readingย  is a great strategy to improve your fluency.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์™œ ๋…์„œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ข‹์€ ์ „๋žต์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:51
Because this might be a littleย  counterintuitive to some ofย ย 
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์ผ๋ถ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
12:54
my students because they place so muchย  emphasis on speaking, speaking, speaking.
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด ๋ง์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ชจ์ˆœ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:00
So when they hear reading, they might not followย  that advice or they might think it's incorrect.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋…์„œ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์„ ๋•Œ, ๊ทธ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ‹€๋ ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:07
So I'd love to hear your perspective on that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:10
OK, so the language, the foreignย  language that you're learning,ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋Š”
13:14
you don't have it inside you, right?
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์— ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
13:16
It has to come from outside.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์™ธ๋ถ€์—์„œ ๋‚˜์™€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:18
If you start from zero, you'veย  got no words in the language.
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0๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„ ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:22
So that's where I support Stephenย  Krasin's ideas about input.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ ํฌ๋ผ์‹ ์˜ ์ž…๋ ฅ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ง€์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:28
You have to bring the language into you,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹น์‹  ์†์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
and you can only bring it into youย  in two ways, listening and reading.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹น์‹  ์†์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
Or you can also review vocabulary.
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ํ˜น์€ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๋ณต์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:37
But there's a lot of research thatย  shows that the way our brain works,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:41
if these words aren't connectedย  with other words, they've done this,ย ย 
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๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๋‡Œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:45
you know, magnetic resonance imaging,ย  and they see that it's more difficult.
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์ž๊ธฐ๊ณต๋ช…์˜์ƒ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:49
You have to encounter theseย  words in different contexts.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ์ด ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:52
So you can encounter them in a listening context.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ฒญ์ทจ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ ‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:55
You can encounter them in a reading context.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋…์„œ ์†์—์„œ ์ ‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:57
I have always found that the two work together,ย  that if I just listen, I can't remember the word.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‘˜์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ์ € ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
14:03
I mean, I was just in a conversation withย  my Persian tutor and until she writes theย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋˜ ์ค‘์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ , ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด
14:06
word out for me in the chat box, I, I can't quiteย  grasp what she's saying because it's a new word.
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์ฑ„ํŒ…์ฐฝ์— ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์จ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ์•Œ์•„๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์˜€๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
14:12
It's, it's, I don't know what it is.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
14:14
Like there's this expression.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
14:17
You can only learn what you already know.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:19
So you kind of need to hit it twice,ย  the reading and then the listening.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
14:22
So you listen to things that you have read,ย  you read things that you have listened to,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ฝ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ , ๋“ค์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฝ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
14:26
and the the two of them reinforce each other.
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๋‘˜์€ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:29
What I have found from personal experienceย  is that the listening helps me prepare forย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
14:34
speaking because I find these words andย  phrases bouncing around in my brain.
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๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ๋‡Œ ์†์—์„œ ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋А๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:38
But to retain the vocabulary, readingย  is more powerful than listening.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:44
And we should also realizeย  that reading is like listening,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:48
that once you know the, the written wordย  is decoded and goes into your brain,ย ย 
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์“ฐ์—ฌ์ง„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด ํ•ด๋…๋˜์–ด ๋‡Œ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ ,
14:54
it then follows the same path in the brainย  as sounds, the phonetic, you know, receptors.
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๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์ฒด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‡Œ๋กœ ์ „๋‹ฌ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
15:02
But I, I, I'm not a, you know, aย  neuroscientist, but it follows the same path.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์‹ ๊ฒฝ๊ณผํ•™์ž๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:05
So I I wouldn't say reading alone,ย  but So what I tend to do is I listenย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์€
15:12
when I'm doing other things like washing theย  dishes or driving my car or out for a walk.
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์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ์šด์ „ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:18
But if I have dedicated time, I read.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:21
And how much dedicated time do you spend reading,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋Œ€์ƒ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ• ์• ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
15:25
let's say, per day in yourย  target foreign language?
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15:28
So in this case, we'll say Persian.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์ฃ .
15:31
So most people who are learning English alreadyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ฏธ
15:35
know the Latin alphabet, soย  it's easy for them to read.
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๋ผํ‹ด ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:38
For me, the Arabic and Persian alphabetย  is, I mean, it's still difficult evenย ย 
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์•„๋ž์–ด์™€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ ์€, ๋ญ,
15:44
though I know how it works, but Iย  haven't had, you know, I haven'tย ย 
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์•Œ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„์ง ์–ด๋ ต๊ธด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:47
read billions of words in that language,ย  whereas most if you're a Spanish speaker.
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๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ์–ต ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณธ ์ ์€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ํ™”์ž๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
15:53
Now if you're a Chinese speaker learningย  English, of course you don't have the advantage,ย ย 
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด ํ™”์ž๋กœ์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ด์ ์€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:56
but you do know you have a better knowledge ofย  the Latin alphabet than I have a Persian alphabet.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ์„ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ผํ‹ด ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€์‹์ด ๋” ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:01
But typically what I do, I wouldย  say that I managed to get in aboutย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณดํ†ต ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 30๋ถ„์—์„œ 1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„๋Š” ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ• ์• ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:05
half an hour to an hour a day ofย  listening because I'm always doingย ย 
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16:09
things around the house or I'm outย  for a walk or whatever it might be.
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16:13
And I try to get in half an hourย  to an hour a day of reading.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 30๋ถ„์—์„œ 1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„ ๋…์„œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
16:17
But when I'm reading in the Persian alphabet,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„ ๋ฌธ์ž๋กœ ์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š”
16:20
because it's so difficultย  for me, I only read online.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์„œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ๋งŒ ์ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:22
So I only read on my iPad because then I can lookย  up every word, I can sound it out, I can hear it,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” iPad์—์„œ๋งŒ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  , ๋ฐœ์Œ๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
16:29
I can save it, I can do I work on link on myย  iPad at least 1/2 an hour, maybe an hour a day.
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์ €์žฅํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , iPad์—์„œ ๋งํฌ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ์ตœ์†Œ 30๋ถ„, ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„๋ฉด ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
16:37
OK, well.
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:38
I found it's the same.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋™์ผํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:39
It's sync, so I can do it wherever I want.
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๋™๊ธฐํ™”๋˜์–ด์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋‚˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
16:41
But yeah.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
16:42
But I think if, if you are, if Iย  were, if I'm reading, say, Polish,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํด๋ž€๋“œ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฝ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
16:46
it's easier to grab a book that's not digital textย  and read because I can read, you know, Turkish.
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๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ฑ…์„ ์žก๊ณ  ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์‰ฌ์šธ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ํ„ฐํ‚ค์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
16:53
I can at least make out the sounds in Turkish.
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์ €๋Š” ์ ์–ด๋„ ํ„ฐํ‚ค์–ด ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
16:55
Whereas the Arabic and Persian scriptย  is still more of a mystery too.
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์•„๋ž์–ด์™€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด ๋ฌธ์ž๋Š” ์•„์ง๋„ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฏธ์Šคํ„ฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:58
Not a mystery, but I'm not used to it like that.
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์‹ ๋น„๋กœ์šด ์ผ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
17:00
So that's my situation now.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์ด๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:02
Someone else whose native languageย  is written in the Latin alphabetย ย 
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ผํ‹ด ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ์œผ๋กœ ์“ฐ์—ฌ์ง„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
17:06
would be in a certain situation ifย  they're native sort of script isย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด ๋ฌธ์ž๊ฐ€ ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ๊ณผ
17:09
something else that might be closerย  to my situation with with Persian.
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๋” ๋น„์Šทํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ผ๋ฉด ํŠน์ • ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:14
I love how your advice is so specific to yourย  background, the target languages you're learning.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งž์ถฐ์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”.
17:21
I think that's great so everyone could realizeย  how customizable learning a language is.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฐœ์ธํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:27
And maybe there isn't just one way to do it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:30
It depends on your background, the languageย  you're learning, and many other situations.
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์ด๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ, ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:34
So I'm really love how you'reย  bringing that to light.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐํ˜€๋‚ด๋Š”์ง€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”.
17:38
Now input, input, input get a lot of input.
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์ด์ œ ์ž…๋ ฅ, ์ž…๋ ฅ, ์ž…๋ ฅ, ๋งŽ์€ ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ์„ธ์š”.
17:42
But what about this statement?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์ง„์ˆ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€?
17:43
What do you think?
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17:43
True or false?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
์ง„์‹ค์ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ๊ฐ€? ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋А๋ผ๋ ค๋ฉด
17:44
You need both input like reading and output likeย ย 
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์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž…๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ถœ๋ ฅ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:48
speaking to feel confident andย  comfortable with a language.
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17:54
Well, if you want to feel confident andย  comfortable speaking, you need to speak a lot.
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:02
In order to be confident and comfortable speaking,ย  you need a high level of comprehension and aย ย 
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ์žˆ๊ณ  ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ ค๋ฉด ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์ดํ•ด๋ ฅ๊ณผ
18:08
broad vocabulary, unless you want to talkย  about a very limited number of subjects.
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๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก , ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์ˆ˜์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์™ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:13
So you really can't separate the two.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋‘˜์„ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:15
But eventually if you want to speakย  well, you have to speak a lot.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ž˜ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:20
But to get and speak a lot you,ย  you do have to put the time into.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:24
And even after you think you're at a level likeย  typically when I start speaking online with aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํŠœํ„ฐ์™€ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„,
18:29
tutor, I, I again, based on how we countย  words in link, I want at least 5000 words.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํฌ์—์„œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์„ธ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ตœ์†Œ 5000๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
I'm not even going to talk toย  someone until I have 5000 words.
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5000๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹ค ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์™€๋„ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
18:36
But even after that, if I'm talkingย  twice, three times a week with a tutor.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ํ›„์—๋„ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ, ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ ํŠœํ„ฐ์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉด,
18:42
So I feel now I'm at a level whereย  I can start speaking more and more.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด์ œ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
18:45
I still continue my input activities,ย  so you can't separate the two,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์•„์ง๋„ ์ž…๋ ฅ ํ™œ๋™์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋‘˜์„ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
18:48
but ultimately you have toย  speak a lot to speak well.
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๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์ด ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠœํ„ฐ
18:52
And aside from talking directly withย  your tutor, do you speak to yourself?
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์™€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์™ธ์— , ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
18:58
Do you record yourself?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋…น์Œํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
18:59
Do you use ChatGPT?
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ChatGPT๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
19:00
Or do you have other strategies for speaking?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
19:03
None of the above.
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์œ„์˜ ์–ด๋А ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:04
None of the above, just so just with your tutor.
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์œ„์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ์–ด๋А ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ํŠœํ„ฐ์™€๋งŒ ์ƒ์˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:07
See, I also think so you were saying, youย  know, everyone's situation is different,ย ย 
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ๋งž๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ณ ,
19:12
different age, different nativeย  language, different target language.
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์—ฐ๋ น๋Œ€๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ณ , ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ณ  , ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
19:15
There are certain things that are in common.
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๊ณตํ†ต์ ์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:17
1 motivation and time.
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1 ๋™๊ธฐ์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„.
19:19
Motivation and time, those areย  the two most important elements.
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๋™๊ธฐ์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์š”์†Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:22
So I'm not motivated to speak to ChatGPT,ย  I'm not motivated to speak to myself.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ChatGPT์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์˜์š•์ด ์—†๊ณ , ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์˜์š•๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:28
I have tried these things, shadowing and youย  know, keeping a diary and I can't do you have.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ดค์–ด์š”. ์„€๋„์ž‰ ๊ณผ ์ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
19:34
I can't continue doing themย  because I don't enjoy doing them.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:37
To me, the easiest thing is justย  to speak to a native speaker,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‰ฌ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:39
which I prefer, which wouldn't be the caseย  if I were a non-native speaker of English.
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์ €๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:44
I think it matters less in English becauseย  because the reality is that English hasย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜์–ด๋Š”
19:48
become an international language, whetherย  we like it or not, for political reasons.
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์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ์ด์œ ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋“  ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋“  ๊ตญ์ œ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:52
That's the reality, for example, in Spanish,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋Š”
19:55
which is also an international language,ย  regional, but an international language.
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๊ตญ์ œ์–ด์ด์ž ์ง€์—ญ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ๊ตญ์ œ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:59
But again, that's just among Spanish speakers,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ํ™”์ž๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ๋งŒ ํ•ด๋‹น๋˜๊ณ ,
20:01
but there are Arabic or, or, orย  or Russian, like, say, Russian.
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์•„๋ž์–ด๋‚˜, ๋˜๋Š”, ๋˜๋Š” ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:05
I don't mind speaking Russian to a Latvian.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ผํŠธ๋น„์•„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
20:07
In other words, where these languagesย  have become international languages,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•ด, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ตญ์ œ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ฉด
20:11
then it becomes authentic to speakย  to a speaker of those languages.
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๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง„์งœ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:15
An English speaker from Brazil becomes authentic.
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ์ถœ์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ง„์งœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:18
But doing things that are notย  authentic like talking to thisย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ChatGPT ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ์ง„์ •์„ฑ์ด ์—†๋Š”
20:21
ChatGPT or talking to myselfย  is not something that I do.
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์ผ์€ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:24
But people who enjoy doing that,ย  that's what they should do.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ์ฃ .
20:27
I am not at all stressed by speaking toย  a native speaker, but there are peopleย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ „ํ˜€ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ , ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”
20:32
who find it stressful and for those people itย  might be more comfortable to speak to ChatGPT.
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ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ChatGPT์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:37
So depends on the individual.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ฃ .
20:39
Yeah, exactly.
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๋„ค, ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
20:40
And like you said, just so simple motivationย  time just comes down to those two things.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ๊ทธ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์— ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:45
I like how you can summarize that so succinctly.
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์š”์•ฝํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
20:48
Now.
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20:48
We talked about reading, listening, speaking.
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์ง€๊ธˆ.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฝ๊ธฐ, ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:53
What about this statement?
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์ด ๋ฌธ์žฅ์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”?
20:54
True or false?
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์ง„์‹ค์ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ๊ฐ€? ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—
20:55
You should study grammar and make sure youย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์„ ์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:58
understand grammar rulesย  before you start speaking.
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21:04
Definitely no.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:06
Definitely no.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:09
So the whole process of learningย  is kind of sort of a fuzzy process.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์Šต์˜ ์ „์ฒด ๊ณผ์ •์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ชจํ˜ธํ•œ ๊ณผ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์„
21:15
You you cannot understand orย  make sense of or eventually useย ย 
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
21:21
the grammar rules until you who haveย  had enough exposure to the language.
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21:27
So you have to do a lot of listening.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:29
Then you start speaking asย  you speak, you make mistakes.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:32
You realize most people realizeย  where they're struggling.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:35
They they realize what theyย  have trouble expressing inย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€
21:37
the language where they have anย  insufficient grasp of proper usage.
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์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์šฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜์—ฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ์žˆ์Œ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:42
So now they're curious about proper usage.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:45
So then they are more likely to understand,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์—์„œ ์ฐพ์€ ์šฉ๋ฒ•, ์šฉ๋ฒ• ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋” ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
21:48
accept the uses usage explanationsย  they find in the grammar.
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21:53
So the whole thing is kind ofย  intertwined and, and certainly I,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์„œ๋กœ ์–ฝํ˜€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ €๋Š”
21:58
I, to me, I start speaking when Iย  have a certain level of vocabulary.
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ํŠน์ • ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๋ฉด ๋ง์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:03
When I have enough words to say someย  things and understand what's coming at me.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋งŒํผ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  , ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ.
22:08
Grammar is something that's you goย  back at over and over and over again.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
22:11
You look at the rule, youย  never master the grammar.
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๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ตํž ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:15
You look at the rule makes an impression on you,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€๋งŒ,
22:18
you forget it, you continue making the sameย  mistake, you go back to the grammar again.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋ฉฐ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:23
So you can always go back to the grammar rules,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
22:25
but it's this whole idea that somehowย  you're going to master the basics.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์„ ์ตํ˜€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:29
Now you've got the grammar nailed down,ย  now you can speak without mistakes.
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์ด์ œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ตํ˜”์œผ๋‹ˆ, ์‹ค์ˆ˜ ์—†์ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:33
That simply has not been my experience.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:36
My experience has been thatย  grammar is sort of out there.
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์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์€ ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:40
It's 510% of where you spend your time.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ณณ์˜ 510%๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:43
When you're curious, you look things up.
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ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋ฉด ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™œ์šฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ
22:44
When I want to look up aย  conjugation table, I go to Google.
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์ฐพ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ตฌ๊ธ€์— ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:47
I look up the conjugation table.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™œ์šฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณธ๋‹ค.
22:50
You can.
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ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
22:51
I have read just out of curiosity.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:53
I've read books explaining English grammar.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:57
I mean, the explanations about the useย  of tenses make no make no sense to me.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฑด, ์‹œ์ œ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:01
As an English speaker, I can'tย  make sense of those explanations.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:04
How does a non-english speaker makeย  any sense of those explanations?
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ ?
23:08
I have no idea until you've had so muchย  experience with the language that thoseย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์Œ“๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊ทธ
23:14
explanations relate to somethingย  that you have already experienced,ย ย 
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์„ค๋ช…๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
23:18
and then it's more or less explaining thingsย  to you that you already know intuitively.
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์ „ํ˜€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ง๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:24
A very counter perspective than mostย  language learners probably expect,ย ย 
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋˜๋Š” ๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:32
at least the ones that I work withย  where the focus is so much on grammar.
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์ ์–ด๋„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋งŽ์€ ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:36
So I really loved hearing your refreshing takeย  on that and your personal experience with that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ์พŒํ•œ ๊ฒฌํ•ด ์™€ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:43
How about this one?
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23:43
True or false?
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์ด๊ฑด ์–ด๋•Œ์š”?
์ง„์‹ค์ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ง“์ธ๊ฐ€?
23:45
Being nervous before speakingย  is a sign that you're not ready,ย ย 
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
23:50
your levels too low, or you'reย  just not ready to start speaking.
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๋ ˆ๋ฒจ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚ฎ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์‹ ํ˜ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:56
I think being nervous is more a matterย  of of your willingness to take risks.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์˜์ง€์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:05
So there are people whose level of English orย  whatever language they're learning is terrible.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:11
They're not nervous and they're terrible.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋”์ฐํ•ด์š”.
24:13
There are people who actually are quite goodย  in the language who are going to be nervous.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ฝค ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ๊ธด์žฅํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:18
I don't think it's particularly important.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
24:20
Obviously the less nervous you are, the better,ย ย 
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ธด์žฅ์ด ์ ์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธด์žฅ
24:23
because the fact of beingย  nervous is going to inhibit you.
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ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์–ต์ œํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:27
You're going to have more trouble remembering,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ณ ,
24:30
more trouble expressing yourselfย  because you're, you're kind of blocked.
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์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋„ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ธธ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ฐจ๋‹จ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:35
I, I think perhaps people whoย  put too much emphasis on grammarย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
24:39
are more nervous about this gets back toย  Stephen Crashing and his effective filter.
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์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ๋”์šฑ ๊ธด์žฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ ํฌ๋ž˜์‹ฑ๊ณผ ๊ทธ์˜ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ํ•„ํ„ฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:45
They're more worried about whetherย  they're speaking correctly,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ,
24:48
whereas they should reallyย  be just trying to find words.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:52
You know, I, I looked up, there's this researchย  on when we get to where we have utterances,ย ย 
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณธ ๋ฐ”์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ฉด
24:57
we're trying to say things in the language.
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์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ตฌ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:59
What is that process?
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”?
25:01
And apparently that processย  consists of three things.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์€ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:04
First of all, certain words willย  pop out words that, that we knowย ย 
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์šฐ์„ , ์–ด๋–ค ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์€
25:09
that what it means and we're comfortableย  using and we throw the word out there.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ  ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์ด ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ด๋˜์ ธ ๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:12
We tried to find a way to use thatย  word in the discussion we're having.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ† ๋ก ์—์„œ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ
25:16
The next thing that happens is we will tryย  out phrases, you know, constructions in theย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ „์— ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ตฌ๋ฌธ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด๋ณด๊ณ 
25:21
language that have worked before that weย  know work and we throw those out there.
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ด๋†“๋Š”๋‹ค.
25:26
And then the third thing we have to do is weย  have to suppress things that don't belong,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์†ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
25:30
which could be from our own languageย  or for another language that we know.
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ํ˜น์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์†ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ต์ œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:34
So that is the process and we justย  have to expose ourselves to that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ณผ์ •์ด๋ฉฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋…ธ์ถœ์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:39
Go ahead and do it, not worry about anything.
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์–ด์„œ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
25:43
Whatever comes out will come out.
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๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๋“  ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
25:45
So I, I don't think that I don't thinkย  being nervous per SE means that you are too.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ธด์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ธด์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง
25:55
It's too early or you shouldn't be or anything.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ด๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
25:57
It's more your but, but, but myย  advice is don't worry about it.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ 'ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ'์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์กฐ์–ธ์€ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ
26:01
Things are going to come.
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์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
26:02
Things will pop out.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
26:03
Words will come out, constructions willย  come out and you will always leave theย ย 
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๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ณ  ๊ตฌ๋ฌธ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์น˜๋ฉด ํ•ญ์ƒ "
26:08
conversation saying to yourself,ย  Geez, I'm now I know that word.
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๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ, ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•˜๊ตฌ๋‚˜"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š”
26:12
I couldn't think of it duringย  the conversation because you areย ย 
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๋™์•ˆ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
26:16
stressed and everyone is a little bit stressed.
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์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
26:18
You couldn't recollect, youย  couldn't retrieve that word.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:21
And once the conversation is over, no more stress.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ๋” ์ด์ƒ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:23
You can remember the word.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
26:24
All normal, all good.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ์ •์ƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:26
And as language learners, we have to be willingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
26:28
to accept a significant level of uncertainty,ย  otherwise, you know, we'll never learn.
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์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•  ์˜์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:35
I don't know if that's a good good answer orย  not, but I think the level of nervousness isย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ธด์žฅ ์ˆ˜์ค€์€
26:39
not an indication of anything otherย  than your level of nervousness.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ธด์žฅ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ด๋Š” ์ง€ํ‘œ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:42
I think that was the perfect answer because it is.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
26:46
Again, it's just such a different perspective.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์ ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:49
The fact you're nervous is becauseย  you're not willing to take risk.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:53
And I'm sure everyone can agree or imagineย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
26:57
themselves in that situationย  and say, yeah, you're right.
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๊ทธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉฐ , "๋งž์•„์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜ณ์•„์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:00
I wasn't willing to risk being wrong or soundingย  incorrect or feeling uncomfortable in that moment.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ํ‹€๋ฆด ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๋ฌด๋ฆ…์“ฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ถ€์ •ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋А๋‚„ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ๋ฌด๋ฆ…์“ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:08
That was the issue.
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:10
I really love that.
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27:10
Thank you for sharing that, Steve.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ค˜์„œ ๊ณ ๋ง™๋„ค์š”, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ.
27:12
Now, I was on your channel and I saw you had aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๋ณด๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ
27:15
video on 6 habits that make youย  a successful language learner.
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๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” 6๊ฐ€์ง€ ์Šต๊ด€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋”๊ตฐ์š” .
27:20
So if you had to choose one habit fromย  that video, or any habit that my studentsย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ ์˜์ƒ์—์„œ ์Šต๊ด€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ํ˜น์€
27:26
can make a priority starting today, whatย  habit would you choose for my students?
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋กœ ์‚ผ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์Šต๊ด€ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์Šต๊ด€์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
27:32
No, I produce a video every week, so I can'tย  remember, but I, I think the most important again,ย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๋งค์ฃผ ์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ œ๊ฐ€
27:42
so I don't know what I said there, but Iย  believe it's extremely important to find aย ย 
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
27:45
way to enjoy the process of learning everythingย  that you can do to make the process enjoyable.
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:53
In other words, finding content of interest,ย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ๊ด€์‹ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ ,
27:57
speaking to people you like, listeningย  to content where you enjoy the voice.
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:03
Like right now, the Persian podcastย  that I'm listening to, the person hasย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽ˜๋ฅด์‹œ์•„์–ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋Š” ์ง„ํ–‰์ž
28:06
a very nice voice and he's talking aboutย  subjects that are great interest to me.
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๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๊ด€์‹ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ๊ด€์‹ฌ์—†๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์œผ๋กœ
28:12
Very hard to learn the languageย  from content that's of no interest.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:16
Or many, very often beginner books have narratorsย  that are very boring and whose voice is bored.
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๋˜๋Š” ์ดˆ๋ณด์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฑ…์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•œ ํ™”์ž๋ฅผ ๋“ฑ์žฅ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ , ํ™”์ž์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋„ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:26
And so you know, that's not enjoyable.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ผ์ด์ฃ .
28:28
So if you can find ways and do things you enjoyย  doing, you know, whatever you enjoy doing.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ , ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ญ๋“  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
28:33
You enjoy speaking to native speakers, fine.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์‹œ๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
28:34
You enjoy speaking to non-nativeย  speakers, that's fine.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธด๋‹ค๋ฉด , ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:37
Do things that you enjoy doing.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
28:39
Why?
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28:39
Because we get back to the twoย  essential elements, attitude and time.
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์™œ?
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํƒœ๋„์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ•„์ˆ˜ ์š”์†Œ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:43
So if you're doing things that you enjoy doing,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
28:45
you're likely to be motivated andย  you're likely to put in the time.
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๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ๋„ ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:50
Well there you go, now you know what to do.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ด์ œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ์•Œ์•˜์ฃ .
28:52
Everyone find the way that you enjoyย  improving your English and learningย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ 
28:58
English and make that your priority this week.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์•„ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋กœ ์‚ผ์œผ์„ธ์š”.
29:01
Now, Steve, can you please tellย  everyone about Lync a little bitย ย 
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Steve, ์ด์ œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ Lync์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ
29:05
more and tell them how they can learnย  more and connect with you as well?
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๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ Lync์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ์•Œ๋ ค ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
29:10
OK, well, connecting with me, I have a YouTubeย  channel called Lingo Steve and I put a videoย ย 
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์™€ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ์š”. ์ €๋Š” Lingo Steve๋ผ๋Š” YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋งค์ฃผ ์˜์ƒ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ
29:16
out every week so people are welcome to goย  there and or, and check my, you know videosย ย 
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๋ฏ€๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€
29:20
in the past that I've done and, and where Iย  speak in different languages and so forth.
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ์ œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์˜์ƒ์ด๋‚˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ƒ ๋“ฑ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:24
Lync is a language learningย  platform that I started withย ย 
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Lync๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€
29:28
my son Mark about 20 years ago and weย  basically try to do several things there.
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์•„๋“ค Mark์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•ฝ 20๋…„ ์ „์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:34
First of all, we sort of implement the sort ofย ย 
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์šฐ์„ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
29:38
input based language approach ofย  that, Stephen Krasin explains.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ž…๋ ฅ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ์–ธ์–ด ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๊ตฌํ˜„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .๋ผ๊ณ  Stephen Krasin์ด ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:43
That's not that we discourageย  people from speaking.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ง‰๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:46
In fact, we have tutors there.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—๋Š” ๊ต์‚ฌ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
29:47
And I once I get to a certain level, Iย  like to engage with tutors, as I said,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ฉด, ์•ž์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ํŠœํ„ฐ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ต๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
29:52
but it's input based learning is something thatย  we can do wherever we want, anytime, anyplace.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž…๋ ฅ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ•™์Šต์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ, ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ์žฅ์†Œ์—์„œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
30:00
We don't need a tutor to be doing those things.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ฐ€์ •๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:03
And so we build ourselves up to where we canย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
30:05
start engaging with tutors andย  eventually talking to people.
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ํŠœํ„ฐ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ต๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ์ •๋„๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:08
So one, we sort of implement in an efficient wayย  input based learning with a lot of functionalityย ย 
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ๊ณผ ํ†ต๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–์ถ˜ ์ž…๋ ฅ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ•™์Šต์„ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌํ˜„ํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ
30:16
and a lot of statistics that nudge you alongย  your goals, a record of what you achieved.
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๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋•๊ณ  ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:22
And the second thing is weย  take advantage of the Internet.
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:25
We take advantage of digital text where you lookย  things up and we keep track of the words you know,ย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์•„๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”์ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ ,
30:31
we can access YouTube, Netflix, any digitalย  content on the web can be imported into links.
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YouTube, Netflix์— ์ ‘์†ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์›น์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋งํฌ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:37
So we take advantage of the sortย  of revolution that is the Internetย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํ˜๋ช…
30:43
and the amazing explosion of languageย  content that's available on the Internet.
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๊ณผ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ์ œ๊ณต๋˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ์˜ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํญ๋ฐœ์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:48
And yet we introduce functionality thatย  helps you learn, you know, from this input.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ๋„์ž…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:55
But there are lots of sites where you can speak.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:57
I mean, there we don't have any monopoly on onย  sort of tutoring sites, but we feel it's quiteย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํŠœํ„ฐ๋ง ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋…์ ๊ถŒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
31:02
an efficient way to to sort of optimizeย  that whole input based learning activity.
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์ „์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ž…๋ ฅ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ํ•™์Šต ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ตœ์ ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:06
Link is lingq.com.
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๋งํฌ๋Š” lingq.com์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:08
And of course, we welcome people andย  we have 50 languages, 50 languages,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 50๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , 50๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
31:13
and I think we're going toย  launch Punjabi this month.
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์ด๋ฒˆ ๋‹ฌ์— ํŽ€์žก์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:17
And there's a rumor that we're launchingย  Irish Gaelic around Saint Patrick's Day.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ์ธํŠธ ํŒจํŠธ๋ฆญ์˜ ๋‚ ์„ ์ „ํ›„๋กœ ์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ ๊ฒŒ์ผ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:22
Oh wow OK well I will leave all the description.
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์˜ค ์™€์šฐ ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์„ค๋ช…์„ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:27
I'll leave everything in the description.
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์ž์„ธํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋‚จ๊ฒจ๋‘๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:28
So please to all my students followย  Steve his YouTube channel is amazingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, Steve๋ฅผ ํŒ”๋กœ์šฐํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ์˜ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์€ ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:34
and also link is an awesome resourceย  so go check it out in the description.
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๋˜ํ•œ ๋งํฌ๋„ ์œ ์šฉํ•œ ์ž๋ฃŒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ์„ค๋ช…์—์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
31:40
Thank you Steve so much for being here.
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์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:42
It's been such a pleasureย  having this conversation.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:45
OK, Thank you.
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๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:46
Bye.
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31:46
If you enjoyed this interview,ย  please say thanks, Steve.
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์•ˆ๋…•.
์ด ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋ง์”€์„ ์ „ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ.
31:50
Thanks, Steve.
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31:50
Please say thanks Steve inย  the comments and of course.
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๊ณ ๋ง™๋„ค์š”, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ.
์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ „ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š” .
31:54
Like this interview share?
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์ด ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
31:55
It with your friends and subscribeย  to your notified every time I postย ย 
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์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์•Œ๋ฆผ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
31:59
a new lesson and you can watch the firstย  interview I did with Steve Kaufman whereย ย 
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Steve Kaufman๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ
32:04
he shares more practical tipsย  and advice watch to right now.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ธ ํŒ ๊ณผ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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