Polyglot Shares How To Become Fluent FAST! (Polyglot Milos Maricic)

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Polyglot Shares How To Become Fluent FAST! (Polyglot Milos Maricic)

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello everyone.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
00:01
Today, I'm very honored toย  have Milaj Marichich with us.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ Milaj Marichich์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ์˜๊ด‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:05
He's a global expert on artificialย  intelligence for finance and philanthropy.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ธˆ์œต ๋ฐ ์ž์„  ํ™œ๋™์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ธ๊ณต ์ง€๋Šฅ ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:11
He's a published writer, renowned speaker.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ถœํŒ ์ž‘๊ฐ€์ด์ž ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์—ฐ์„ค๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:14
He teaches at the University of Geneva, andย  he's a polyglot who speaks 7 languages fluently.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ œ๋„ค๋ฐ” ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 7๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
So Milaj, I have to ask you,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Milaj ์”จ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:24
are you just naturally talentedย  when it comes to learning languages?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ํƒ€๊ณ ๋‚œ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
00:29
Your, your intro mainly Blush andย  Jennifer, thank you very much for that.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์†Œ๊ฐœ๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ Blush์™€ Jennifer์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:34
Talent has something to do with that forย  sure, but it's not, it's not the full picture.
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ „์ฒด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
And when I, when I talk about that, Iย  usually use the example of my German.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ๋…์ผ์–ด๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:44
It was the second foreign languageย  that I started to learn 2530 years ago.
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2530๋…„ ์ „์— ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:50
And just because I never managed to toย  find a real context for learning it,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•™์Šต์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹ค์ œ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ฐพ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
00:55
I never had the right approach.
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:57
Over the years it became my 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ 3๋ฒˆ์งธ, 4๋ฒˆ์งธ, 5๋ฒˆ์งธ, 6๋ฒˆ์งธ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ ,
01:01
and now it's my seventh languageย  and I barely speak it fluently.
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์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ 7๋ฒˆ์งธ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ  , ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
So you would think that if I was just naturallyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํƒ€๊ณ ๋‚œ
01:07
a talent, a genius for languages,ย  I would have picked it up sooner.
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์žฌ๋Šฅ, ์–ธ์–ด ์ฒœ์žฌ์˜€๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ตํ˜”์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ค ํ…๋ฐ์š”.
01:12
Well, to be honest, I think that makes me feelย  a little bit better and I'm sure that makes myย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข€ ๋‚˜์•„์กŒ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ
01:17
students feel a little bit better that even youย  struggle with learning languages as a polyglot.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋„ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
01:23
So why don't you share with us whatย  are some of the mistakes you thinkย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋…์ผ์–ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
01:28
you learned when learningย  German or other languages?
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?
01:32
And then how did you learn from those who youย  got better and better at learning languages?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์ ์  ๋” ์ข‹์•„์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‚˜์š” ?
01:39
I would identify maybe 2 mistakes.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 2๊ฐœ์˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์‹๋ณ„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
The first one is being, being a perfectionist,ย ย 
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์™„๋ฒฝ์ฃผ์˜์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด
01:44
so expecting to be fluent inย  every language that you speak.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ธ์–ด์— ์œ ์ฐฝํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:48
And I think this is somethingย  that a lot of your studentsย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
01:51
will and a lot of your viewers will identify with.
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๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž๋“ค๋„ ๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:55
So we, I, for a really long time tookย  it personally when I made mistakes, youย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
02:01
know, to shield away from speaking because I knewย  that my language was not at a good enough level.
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์ œ ์–ธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:07
And with time, I just discovered thatย  that was just hindering my progress.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด ๋ฐœ์ „์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•  ๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
So that was number one mistakeย  #2 was that for a few languages,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. #2๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
02:18
my approach was too academic at times.
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์ œ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํ•™๋ฌธ์ ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:21
So I would be doing grammar.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ
02:22
I've been trying to to visualize, to memorizeย  vocabulary, but I wasn't making it fun.
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์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์•”๊ธฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:29
I wasn't finding a context inย  which to speak the language.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ฐพ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:32
I wasn't turning it into a game,ย  if you will, making it playful.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
And that just made it more tedious.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋” ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
So yeah, we'll talk about tips later on, butย  I guess a couple of tips will come from that.
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๋„ค, ํŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํŒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:44
Yeah, so being a perfectionistย  and maybe a little more to aboutย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์™„๋ฒฝ์ฃผ์˜์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์ง€ ์•Š์€
02:49
academic or structured approach that wasย  probably boring or not that interesting.
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ํ•™๋ฌธ์  ๋˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ์  ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” ์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ
02:53
I know I personally made thoseย  mistakes when I was learningย ย 
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์งˆ๋ €
02:57
French as a second languageย  and they hindered me as well.
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๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋ฐฉํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:00
So now when you're speaking all 7 languages andย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด 7๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด์™€
03:05
other languages and let's say you makeย  a mistake, well, what do you do now?
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
03:10
How have you change yourย  approach from perfectionism?
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์™„๋ฒฝ์ฃผ์˜์—์„œ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
03:13
What do you do?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:17
I think that over the years I've,ย  for lack of a better expression,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜์—ฌ
03:22
learn to split my personalityย  based on the language that I speak.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‚ด ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
So it's almost like a role play.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—ญํ• ๊ทน์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:27
So if I, if I speak French, I'm oneย  mileage, like one version of mileage.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งˆ์ผ๋ฆฌ์ง€์˜ ํ•œ ๋ฒ„์ „๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋งˆ์ผ๋ฆฌ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:32
When I'm speaking Spanish, I'm a different versionย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ
03:34
of mileage with a different sort of culturalย  background through which I learned Spanish.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งˆ์ผ๋ฆฌ์ง€์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฒ„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:39
And then when I'm speaking Russian,ย  it's a it's a third version of Milos.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ€๋กœ์Šค์˜ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ฒ„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
And so I guess that has kindย  of helped me just think aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€
03:52
little bit less personally about those mistakes.
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๊ทธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
So what I make mistakes is thatย  version of Milos that's making them.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” Milos ๋ฒ„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:57
And it's not, you know, the, the, the real Milos.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์งœ ๋ฐ€๋กœ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:59
So this, this kind of role-playing, it sounds aย  bit silly, but it actually helped me quite a lot,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋กคํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ž‰์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
you know, separate the, the notion of makingย  mistakes from my, you know, cherished identity.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์„ ์ €์˜ ์†Œ์ค‘ํ•œ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
04:12
I've heard polyglots talk about that before,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด์ „์— ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:15
and that makes sense because a lotย  of my students will relate to this.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด์— ๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
04:19
The mistakes you're, you're comparing howย  you would speak in your own native language.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:24
So if you have this separate identity,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด ๋ณ„๋„์˜ ID๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
04:27
then that separate identity youย  don't have that same comparison.
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๊ทธ ๋ณ„๋„์˜ ID๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ๋™์ผํ•œ ๋น„๊ต๊ฐ€ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:31
Is that what's helpful about that process?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
04:34
Yeah, yeah.
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์‘, ์‘.
04:35
For for some reason, we humans, we're reallyย  touchy about things that we feel define us,ย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ์ด์œ ์—์„œ๋“  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ •์˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์ฆ‰
04:40
you know, that they're a part of our identity.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:42
And if you kind of separate that language,ย  speaking identity into almost like a differentย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•˜์—ฌ
04:48
character, like something you're playing on aย  stage, maybe sounds silly, but it's really helped.
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๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
It's really works for me to to also separate theย  guilt that comes sometimes with making mistakes.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ๋„ ๋ถ„๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
Yeah, it's such an interesting approach.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด๋„ค์š”.
05:01
And hey, if it works, it works.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž‘๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ž‘๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:03
So thank you for sharing that.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:05
And oh, before we go on, I do wantย  to thank my student and your studentย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„, ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—
05:11
student Hiroshi, who introduced usย  and suggested we have this interview.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ์ œ์•ˆํ•œ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๊ณผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ํ•™์ƒ Hiroshi์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋ง์”€์„ ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:16
So Hiroshi, if you're watching, thank you soย  much for connecting us and making this possible.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ํžˆ๋กœ์‹œ ์”จ, ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•ด ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
Now we talked about the mistakes you made.
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ €์ง€๋ฅธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
So let's talk about some of your successes.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์„ฑ๊ณต ์‚ฌ๋ก€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:29
Or what would you feel are the qualitiesย  that you have or that successful languageย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹  ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์งˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด
05:35
learners in general have thatย  make learning the language easier?
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ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์ž์งˆ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
05:40
They find the context and they find an objective.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:44
So in my in my case, I've been kindย  of blessed to be able to speak 5 orย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋งค์ผ 5~6๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ์ถ•๋ณต๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
05:50
6 languages on a daily basis because that'sย  just the people in my company, they speak them.
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
05:56
But looking back, my best periodsย  of language learning really helped.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ์ด์ผœ๋ณด๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•˜๋˜ ์‹œ์ ˆ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
06:02
What really happened when I had a contextย  through which to learn a language.
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์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‚˜์š” ?
06:05
So if I had a girlfriend that spokeย  the language or maybe flatmates,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฌ์ž์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฃธ๋ฉ”์ดํŠธ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
06:11
or I was working in a company where,ย  where the language was spoken.
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด์š” .
06:14
And I think that that is by far theย  best way to to be learning the language.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:19
So, you know, having, having a context where youย  don't actually have to make an effort and you'reย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์›ํ•˜๋“  ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋“ 
06:25
kind of confronted with the language,ย  whether you whether you like it or not.
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์–ธ์–ด์— ์ง๋ฉดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:29
And then the second thing is an objective.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:31
So, so let's say I learned Russian to a reasonableย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์•„๋‚ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ์ค‘๊ธ‰ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊นŒ์ง€ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:37
intermediate degree before meetingย  my wife, who is Russian speaking.
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.
06:42
And then I put it to myself as anย  objective to make my Russian reallyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์„œ
06:48
perfect so that I could speak with my inย  laws, with her parents in a, you know,ย ย 
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์‹œ๋Œ, ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๊ณผ ์ œ์•ฝ
06:52
you know, in an unconstrainedย  sort of free, free flowing way.
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์—†์ด ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ณ  ์ž์œ ๋กœ์šด ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋กœ ์‚ผ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:56
And that was a fantastic,ย  fantastic source of motivation.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด๊ณ  ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ์˜ ์›์ฒœ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:00
So different people will find differentย  sources of motivation either whether it's,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋งˆ๋‹ค ๊ด€๊ณ„, ์Šคํฌ์ธ , ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
07:03
you know, relationships or sports or business,ย  but it's really important to have an objective.
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๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:10
Those are two great points.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:11
So the context and theย  objective and a lot of people,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งฅ๋ฝ๊ณผ ๋ชฉ์ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
07:16
other people have popularized theย  idea of find your why, find your why.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ผ๋ผ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ค‘ํ™”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:20
Why are you becoming fluent in English?
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์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:23
Why is that important for you?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์™œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:25
So thank you for sharing that.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
But let's talk about the context because this is aย  struggle for many of my students watching is theyย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
07:35
know their why they need to find a job or theyย  want to get a promote or they want to move abroad.
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์ง์—…์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์Šน์ง„์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•ด์™ธ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งฅ๋ฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:42
But currently they don't work in English.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
They don't live in an English environment.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜์–ด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์‚ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:47
They don't have friends or orย  romantic partners who speak English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์—ฐ์ธ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
So they they unfortunately don't have the context.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:55
Is there something that these studentsย  can do to create more of that environmentย ย 
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์ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋น„์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋” ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๋‚˜ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
08:01
or context when they are more isolatedย  in a non-english speaking environment?
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?
08:07
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
08:08
And there are two layers to that.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:11
First of all, the passive layer ofย  just being exposed to the language.
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์šฐ์„ , ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋™์  ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฑ„๋„
08:15
You talk talk a lot about that on yourย  channel and you give some great tips.
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์—์„œ ์ด์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์‹œ๊ณ  ์ข‹์€ ํŒ๋„ ์ฃผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
And I think this is something thatย  that people anywhere on earth can do.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง€๊ตฌ์ƒ ์–ด๋Š ๊ณณ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:26
So listening to music, watching films, justย  just letting English come in through their ears.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ , ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ท€๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋„๋ก ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
08:33
The more difficult part, but still notย  insurmountable, is getting to speak.
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๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:37
So getting to produce stuff in English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์ƒ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
There are many language exchange websites.
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์–ธ์–ด ๊ตํ™˜ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:45
That would be my piece of advice.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:47
If you really live in a place whereย  nobody speaks English and it's and,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
08:51
and there's no chance to work in English andย  you cannot travel that much internationally,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ผํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋„ ์—†๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:56
language exchange websites work really well.
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์–ธ์–ด ๊ตํ™˜ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:58
Or maybe you'll find a pen pal withย  whom you communicate in writing these.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ด ๊ธ€์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ํŽœํŒ”์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:03
These are relatively low cost, low hassle ways ofย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ์›ํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋น„๊ต์  ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฒˆ๊ฑฐ๋กญ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:09
getting to speak language ifย  you want to on a daily basis.
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.
09:13
Perfect.
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09:13
So for everyone watching, youย  can still practice English,ย ย 
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งฅ๋ฝ์ด ์—†์–ด๋„
09:17
you can still become fluent evenย  if you don't have that context.
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์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:20
Just absorb yourself in the language and use theย  resources like the exchange websites or a pen pal.
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์–ธ์–ด์— ํ‘น ๋น ์ ธ์„œ ๊ตํ™˜ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋‚˜ ํŽœํŒ”๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ •๋ง
09:27
Those are wonderful tips.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒ์ด๋„ค์š”.
09:29
Now you posted an article on Medium, whichย  I'll link to in the description as well.
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์ด์ œ Medium์— ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์„ค๋ช…์—๋„ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:35
Everyone, it's a wonderful article on Milosh'sย  experience learning a language very quickly.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, Milosh์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:42
And in that article you mentioned thatย  you rarely learn from formal study.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ํ•™์Šต์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
09:49
Now you talked about this previouslyย  about one of your biggest mistakesย ย 
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์ด์ „์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€
09:52
was making it more academic, but can youย  just talk about this a little bit more?
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๋” ํ•™๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
09:57
What do you consider formal study andย  and why do you rarely use formal study?
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์ •๊ทœ ํ•™์Šต์„ ๋ฌด์—‡์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์ •๊ทœ ํ•™์Šต์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
10:05
I rarely do it because it is veryย  difficult to keep up the motivation.
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๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
10:08
So even as even for somebody like me for whom,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ,
10:12
who likes learning languages and forย  whom languages are part of my identity,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋„
10:17
it is very difficult to keep it academic, youย  know, and to everyday go through lessons inย ย 
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ํ•™๋ฌธ์  ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์œ ์ง€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์ผ
10:21
a note in a book or go through your flash cardsย  and just keep doing that month in, month out.
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์ฑ…์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋กœ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
10:28
It is, it is just not practically feasible,ย  at least for somebody, somebody like me.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‹คํ˜„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:33
And what I mean by formal study is that so it's,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ •์‹ ํ•™์Šต์ด๋ž€
10:36
you know, doing grammar exercises,ย  trying to, to memorize vocabulary.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์™ธ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:41
It's going through a book that's meant that'sย  obviously not specifically designed for you.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ๋””์ž์ธ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ฑ…์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
It's there for everybody.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:48
So, so I, I think I talk about an example inย  the article where I was, I started workingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์— ๋‚˜์˜จ ์˜ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š”
10:57
with a Hungarian teacher, a lovely lady whoย  had worked with many people and had success.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ฑ๊ณตํ–ˆ๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ธ ํ—๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:03
But, you know, she was goingย  through this book lesson by lesson.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด ์ฑ…์˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์ˆ˜์—…๋ณ„๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:07
And the lessons were not that usefulย  for my language study because I neededย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์—…์€ ์ œ ์–ธ์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€์— ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์œ ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š”
11:11
to learn the Hungarian to be able toย  speak to a consulate at the embassy,ย ย 
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๋Œ€์‚ฌ๊ด€ ์˜์‚ฌ๊ด€๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ—๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:15
whereas lessons were about, you know,ย  fish soup and, and, and words like that.
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ์ˆ˜์—…์€ ์ƒ์„  ์ˆ˜ํ”„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:19
So, so, so yeah, that there are there areย  definite downsides to to formal study.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๊ทœ ํ•™์Šต์—๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๋‹จ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:26
I can relate to that.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
I remember in one of my first Spanish classes,ย ย 
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์ฒซ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์—… ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์—์„œ
11:31
the teacher was reviewing names of animals,ย  but things like a hedgehog, a horse, a donkey.
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์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ๋™๋ฌผ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋ณต์Šตํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ณ ์Šด๋„์น˜, ๋ง, ๋‹น๋‚˜๊ท€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜๋„ค์š”. ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ• 
11:40
When am I ever going to use these words asย  a speaking Spanish as a second language?
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๋•Œ ์ด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ธ์ œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š” ?
11:47
Like it wasn't relevant to me,ย  it wasn't interesting to me.
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๋‚˜์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:51
And I quickly became very boredย  and lost motivation and didn'tย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธˆ๋ฐฉ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์กŒ๊ณ  ์˜์š•์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
11:55
want to take those classes anymore at all.
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๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:58
So I can definitely relate to that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ณต๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:00
But on the other hand, of course,ย  we do need to learn the structure,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ,
12:05
vocabulary, grammar, and theseย  formal rules of a language.
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์–ดํœ˜, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋ฐ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ˜•์‹์ ์ธ ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:09
That is important.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:10
So how do you personallyย  approach balancing formal study?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ณต์‹ ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
12:16
Well, not formal, but the technical language.
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์Œ, ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:20
So getting the input of the language andย  then getting output from the language.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ ์ถœ๋ ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:25
So, speaking the language, how do youย  balance those two areas of language learning?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋‘ ์˜์—ญ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งž์ถ”๋‚˜์š”?
12:31
So if we talk about the best wayย  to to approach learning a language,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ,
12:37
well, we talked about having objective, weย  talked about having a context and the next,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ
12:41
the the next maybe layer ofย  importance is having a good teacher.
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๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:48
And so having a good teacher like likeย  yourself obviously makes a huge difference,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:52
not only for motivation, but also a teacherย  needs to be able to recognize the speed withย ย 
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๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋Š”
12:59
which the the student is able to learn and thenย  challenge them to learn at that, at that speed.
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ํ•™์ƒ์ด ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์†๋„๋ฅผ ์ธ์‹ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋„์ „ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์†๋„๋กœ.
13:06
And on the student side, what makesย  a student really capable of learning,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•™์ƒ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ํ•™์ƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€,
13:12
even if it's their first foreignย  language, it's if they're really fluent,ย ย 
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ผ๋„ ์ •๋ง ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:17
and this is going to sound parallaxical, butย  if they're really fluent in their own language,ย ย 
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์‹œ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด์— ์ •๋ง ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ,
13:21
being fluent in your own language meansย  that you know, it's grammar, you know,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•,
13:25
it's engine, you know how tenses are built, youย  know what an imperative is and so on and so on.
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์—”์ง„, ์‹œ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€๋Š”์ง€, ๋ช…๋ น์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋“ฑ์„ ์•ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:33
And if you really understand the mechanics of aย  language and, and grammar is kind of the heartย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๋ฉ”์ปค๋‹ˆ์ฆ˜์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด ๊ทธ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
13:37
of that, then you can just take that and applyย  it to any other language without any issues.
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„๋ฌด ๋ฌธ์ œ ์—†์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:42
Because the teacher can justย  tell you, well, you know,ย ย 
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์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์€
13:45
this exact same thing with theseย  small changes and, and you're good.
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์ž‘์€ ๋ณ€ํ™”์—๋„ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
And I think actually becoming a polyglot.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
13:52
So when you have your 5 languages, addingย  a 6th, the, the biggest added value fromย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ 5๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  6๋ฒˆ์งธ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋˜๋ฉด ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ 5๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ถ€๊ฐ€๊ฐ€์น˜๋Š”
13:58
the 1st 5 languages is that is that you haveย  the experience with all those different typesย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•
14:04
of grammar or little intricacies of grammarย  that you can then just just bring up to your,ย ย 
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์˜ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋˜๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜
14:10
to your brain and just deploy onย  the, on the additional language.
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๋‘๋‡Œ์— ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋ฐฐํฌํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:14
But if it's your first foreignย  language, then yeah, knowing your,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ผ๋ฉด , ๋„ค, ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ 
14:18
your native language, knowing howย  grammar works and having a greatย ย 
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, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ , ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ
14:21
teacher that can that lead you at theย  speed at which you can, you can travel.
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์†๋„๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ง€๋„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
That's super important.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:27
Yeah, great tips.
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์‘, ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด๋„ค.
14:28
And that being sense for sure, Iย  think of if you're learning a sport,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:32
maybe you're learning to play tennis andย  you understand how a racket sport works.
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ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๋ผ์ผ“ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:37
And then if you learn another racket sport,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ผ์ผ“ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด
14:40
then it it's a lot easier because youย  already know that one racket sport.
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๊ทธ ๋ผ์ผ“ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฏธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:44
So it's just it becomes easier and easier.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ ์  ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:47
But that's true.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋‹ค.
14:48
And a lot of us, we don't knowย  the structure of our own languageย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
14:51
until you become a language learner orย  teacher and then you understand it now.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋‚˜ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์ด์ œ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:59
And I remember from your Medium article,ย  you also talked about how you wouldย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Medium ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์—์„œ
15:05
practice speaking for at least one hourย  per day, if I'm remembering correctly.
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์ œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋งž๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ์ตœ์†Œ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:10
So how did you do that practice?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ ์—ฐ์Šต์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜?
15:12
Was it with a partner?
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ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜์˜€๋‚˜์š”?
15:14
Was it a loan, a teacher?
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๋Œ€์ถœ์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜, ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜?
15:16
Chaji BT What are the different waysย  that you would use to practice speaking?
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Chaji BT ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
15:22
Sometimes with the teacher, sometimes justย  with a conversation partner, because theย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜, ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ƒ๋Œ€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜,
15:26
pressure is a little bit lower, you don't feelย  like your every mistake is is being perceived.
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์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚ฎ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชจ๋“  ์‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ธ์‹๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:34
You know, sometimes you also need toย  release the pressure a little bit and relax.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ’€๊ณ  ๊ธด์žฅ์„ ํ’€์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:41
So yeah, definitely speakingย  whatever context I could find.
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๋„ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:44
But also there's another thing that Iย  think over e-mail we we talked about,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
15:48
which was thinking to myself,ย  quote UN quote in the language.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ UN ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์„ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ธ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:52
And that's maybe one thing that not a lot ofย  people do and it's interesting, but I would spendย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์—ญํ• ๊ทน ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ œ๊ณตํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ
15:59
a few minutes per day trying to think in theย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„์”ฉ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:02
language by giving myself scenariosย  again, like role-playing scenarios.
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16:09
So maybe I would imagine that I wasย  giving a presentation in the language,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ €๋Š”
16:13
in this case Hungarian, on any topic.
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์–ด๋–ค ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋“  ์–ธ์–ด(์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ํ—๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ์–ด)๋กœ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:16
And then I would think about how I would beย  delivering that presentation to an audience.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ์ฒญ์ค‘์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ „๋‹ฌํ• ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:20
And I would be doing this whileย  riding my motorcycle or being,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์˜คํ† ๋ฐ”์ด๋ฅผ ํƒ€๋ฉด์„œ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
16:24
you know, just just walking or going toย  pick up my children at the kindergarten.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฑท๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์œ ์น˜์›์— ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:29
It sounds a bit funny, butย  actually in my experience,ย ย 
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์ข€ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
16:33
it is almost the same as actually speaking.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™๋‹ค.
16:36
So as, as actually deliveringย  the, the presentation.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ  .
16:40
And I think it has parallels to you useย  the racket sports as, as an example.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ผ์ผ“ ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
16:45
So Novak Djokovic, the, the, the, theย  famous tennis player who is Serbian,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„ธ๋ฅด๋น„์•„ ์ถœ์‹ ์˜ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์„ ์ˆ˜์ธ ๋…ธ๋ฐ• ์กฐ์ฝ”๋น„์น˜(Novak Djokovic)
16:50
he talks a lot about visualization.
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๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:53
So visualizing, visualizing what'sย  going to happen during the match,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
16:57
good or bad before you actually do it.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ ์ค‘์— ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ์ง€ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ข‹์€์ง€ ๋‚˜์œ์ง€.
16:59
And he says that the, the act ofย  visualizing actually prepares him.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ํ–‰์œ„๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„์‹œํ‚จ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:03
And I think when it comes to languageย  learning, that sort of visualizationย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
17:06
of of verbal production is always theย  same as the real thing, at least for me.
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์–ธ์–ด์  ํ‘œํ˜„์˜ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”๋Š” ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์‹ค์ œ์™€ ๋™์ผํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:11
Yeah, that's an excellent tip.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด๋„ค์š”.
17:13
And for sure we hear this about athletesย  doing this a lot, this visualization,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šด๋™์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”๋Š”
17:18
seeing themselves jump over the pole orย  whatever it might be to help them prepare.
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์ž์‹ ์ด ์žฅ๋Œ€ ์œ„๋กœ ๋›ฐ์–ด์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:25
But we can all do this.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:27
And I prepared for our conversation now.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€
17:30
I reviewed all what I'm going to ask you and justย ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ณ 
17:33
went through it in my head thisย  morning as I was getting ready.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์นจ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์œผ๋กœ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:36
And it helped me as a native speaker,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์—
17:39
feel more prepared and confident forย  this exact conversation we're having now.
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๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ž˜ ์ค€๋น„๋˜๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:45
Yeah, and it shows and, you know, andย  and it just there's so many benefits.
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ง€๊ณ , ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:49
You become more relaxed, your more itย  ease your your breathing becomes deeper.
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๋งˆ์Œ์ด ํŽธํ•ด์งˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ํ˜ธํก์ด ๊นŠ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:53
Yeah, preparation is super important.
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์‘, ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด.
17:56
Absolutely, so everyone you can prepare on yourย  own for all conversations that you may have.
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ค€๋น„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋ง์ด์ฃ  .
18:03
Now on the topic of speaking,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
18:05
this is definitely the most commonย  frustration I have with my students.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ”ํ•œ ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:11
They say with their language,ย  OK, I can conjugate verb tenses,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ' ์ข‹์•„์š”, ๋™์‚ฌ ์‹œ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
18:15
I know the grammar rules, I Iย  know the definitions to words.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™๋„ ์•Œ์•„์š”. ๋‹จ์–ด์˜ ์ •์˜๋„ ์•Œ์•„์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:21
I can write, I can read, but I just can't speak.
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๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:25
When I open my mouth, I forget myย  words or it just doesn't come out.
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์ž…์„ ์—ด๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๋ง์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค.
18:31
Do you have any advice?
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์กฐ์–ธ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž
18:32
Is that something you personally experienced as aย  language learner or what advice could you share?
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๋กœ์„œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
18:40
My first piece of advice would be to relax.
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๋‚˜์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์กฐ์–ธ์€ ๊ธด์žฅ์„ ํ‘ธ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:42
So of course it's going to happen andย  not only with language learning or,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ด๋‚˜,
18:47
or or speaking a language that just don't speakย  so well, but also speaking your own language.
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๋˜๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:52
So you and I speak English andย  all of a sudden somebody asksย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
18:55
us to give a presentation in front of 5000 people.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ 5000๋ช… ์•ž์—์„œ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์„ ํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:58
We are starting to forget ourย  words and become anxious and so on.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
So it's just, it's somethingย  that happens to to everybody.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ด๊ฑด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
19:05
The second thing would be youย  already speak the language.
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:10
So it's just a matter of, of levelย  fluency, number of errors and so on.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ, ์˜ค๋ฅ˜ ์ˆ˜ ๋“ฑ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:16
So it's a continuum.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฐ์†์ฒด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:17
So it's not a, it's not a, it's, there's no,ย  there's no switch that happens between I cannotย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ a๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ a๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋‚˜๋Š”
19:22
speak the language, I'm not confidentย  and I can speak the language and I can,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค , ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:26
I can deliver a, you know,ย  Physiology presentation.
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, ์ƒ๋ฆฌํ•™ ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜.
19:29
So it's a continuum.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฐ์†์ฒด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:30
And it's important to find that quick, notย  quick wins, but but wins along the way.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋น ๋ฅธ ์Šน๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋น ๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:36
So if you are just starting to learn the languageย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด์ œ ๋ง‰ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด YouTube์˜
19:39
to maybe understanding a 3 minute episodeย  of something on YouTube would be great.
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3๋ถ„์งœ๋ฆฌ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:47
And then maybe later on having aย  phone call in the language, maybe,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ „ํ™” ํ†ตํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
19:51
maybe the next step and so on and so on and so on.
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๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:54
So having these milestones, I think really helpsย  because that's why you convince yourself also.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ด์ •ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํ™•์‹ ์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:00
That you are progressing irrespectiveย  of how it might look at certain times.
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ํŠน์ • ์‹œ๊ธฐ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ผ์ง€์— ๊ด€๊ณ„์—†์ด ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:06
Yeah, that's great advice and I likeย  that because it's just a small step,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ,
20:10
a small step and then keep going, keepย  going and all of a sudden you're speaking.
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์ž‘์€ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ, ๊ณ„์† ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:16
But again, just relax and it'sย  not that big of a deal either way.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•ˆ์‹ฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์–ด๋Š ์ชฝ์ด๋“  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:22
That's great.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ด์š”.
20:23
It's.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€.
20:24
Fine.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€.
20:26
So if my students were to do one thingย  this week to improve their fluency,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
20:33
what would you recommend they do?
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜
20:35
Definitely find the contextย  for for their English learning.
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๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ฐพ์œผ์„ธ์š” .
20:40
So when you have a context, whether it's aย  pen pal, whether it's a conversation partner,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํŽœํŒ”์ด๋“  , ๋Œ€ํ™” ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์ด๋“ ,
20:44
whether it's some shows you watch and soย  on, everything just becomes so much easier.
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ด๋“  ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:50
It becomes it becomes a gameย  as opposed to an obligation.
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์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:55
So finding the context for theirย  English learning super important.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:01
All right, everyone, you have your work this week.
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์—๋Š” ํ•  ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:04
Find your context now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
21:06
Milaj, I'll share the Medium articleย  you wrote in the description.
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Milaj๋‹˜, ์„ค๋ช…์— ์ ์–ด์ฃผ์‹  Medium ๊ธ€์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ 
21:10
Are there any other resources you would likeย ย 
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์‹ถ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค
21:12
to mention or any other ways thatย  my students can connect with you?
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๋‚˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
21:18
Well, you know, Jennifer, we discussed beforeย  coming on air that this is not exactly what I do.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์†ก์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋…ผ์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:25
It's I'm just a polyglot amongst other things.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:28
But I'm, I'm always happy to, to answer people'sย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜
21:32
queries and questions toย  the extent to which I can.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•œ๋„ ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:34
So maybe Medium would be aย  good way to, to contact me.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด Medium์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ•˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:38
So do read that article and then if youย  have any additional questions, reach out.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ํ•ด๋‹น ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด์‹œ๊ณ  ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
21:43
And I try to I get a lot ofย  reactions to that article,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ
21:46
but I try to respond to most of themย  and and try and give guidance if I can.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋ฐ˜์‘์— ์‘๋‹ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ง€์นจ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:52
Well, absolutely, and again, becauseย  this isn't what you do professionally,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
21:56
you're not a professional language teacher.
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๊ท€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:59
You just are a polyglot who uses theseย  languages languages in your day-to-day life.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ผ์ƒ ์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์–ธ์–ด์ž์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
22:05
I appreciate you so muchย  coming on here and sharingย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™€์„œ
22:08
this advice so generously with myย  students and absolutely everyone.
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์ด ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‚Œ์—†์ด ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:12
Read the media article, I lovedย  it and I know you will too.
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๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:16
So thank you again so much for being here, Milosh.
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Milosh๋‹˜, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
22:18
It's been a pleasure.
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:20
It was a pleasure, Jennifer, really.
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