Ways to Improve your Listening Skills for English Exams

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English Speaking Success


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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- How can you improve your listening skills in English?
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- ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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And what's the best way to prepare for the IELTS Listening
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  IELTS ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ
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and the TOEFL Listening?
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์™€ TOEFL ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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Well, join me today with my special guest to find out.
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์Œ, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ œ ํŠน๋ณ„ ๊ฒŒ์ŠคํŠธ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
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(upbeat music)
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(๊ฒฝ์พŒํ•œ ์Œ์•…)
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Hello.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
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My name is Keith and I run the Keith Speaking Academy
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์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Keith์ด๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” Keith Speaking Academy
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and the YouTube channel,
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์™€ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:29
English speaking success
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as well as a new channel, English speaking success shorts,
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go and check it out.
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.
00:37
So listening, right, is a really important skill
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋Š”
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when you're communicating in English.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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It's even more important if you're preparing for an exam
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like TOEFL or IELTS.
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TOEFL์ด๋‚˜ IELTS์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋”์šฑ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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If you don't know these exams, right?
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์ด ์‹œํ—˜์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด?
00:52
TOEFL and IELTS are similar in that they are tests
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TOEFL๊ณผ IELTS๋Š”
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to measure your level of English
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if you want to go and study in a university abroad
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ํ•ด์™ธ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
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or possibly to immigrate to an English speaking country
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์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ด๋ฏผ์„ ๊ฐ€๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
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and also for some professional occupations
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์™€
01:10
that need a certain level of English.
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์ผ์ • ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ „๋ฌธ ์ง์—…์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ์ธก์ •ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹œํ—˜์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:13
So today, to help you with your listening skills,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
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I'm joined by Josh MacPherson who is a teacher like myself
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์ €์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ์ด์ž
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and he's also the head of TST Prep
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which is an online school helping students
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
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prepare for the TOEFL exam.
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TOEFL ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ๋•๋Š” ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ํ•™๊ต์ธ TST Prep์˜ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•œ Josh MacPherson๊ณผ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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He talks about TOEFL, IBT and TOEFL Essentials.
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๊ทธ๋Š” TOEFL, IBT ๋ฐ TOEFL Essentials์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:34
If you want to find out more about the TOEFL exams,
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TOEFL ์‹œํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๋ ค๋ฉด
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you can go to ets.org and find out more.
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ets.org๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
If you want to know more about IELTS,
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IELTS์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
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you can go to ielts.org.
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ielts.org๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
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We'll be talking about general listening skills for English
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ
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but also exam preparation.
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๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Josh is American, he's from New York
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Josh๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด๊ณ  ๋‰ด์š•์—์„œ ์™”๊ธฐ
01:55
so he has a different accent from me
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚˜์™€ ์–ต์–‘์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋ฉฐ
01:58
and he lives out in Japan with his wife and children.
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์•„๋‚ด์™€ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
So as well as giving you some interesting insights
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
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to listening skills,
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,
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we break up the conversation a little bit
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ตญ์ ์˜
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with some banter about being married to a a person
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
02:12
of a different nationality
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and how we bring up our children
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์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ์–‘์œกํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†๋‹ด์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:16
in those kinds of situations.
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02:18
All very interesting stuff.
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๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ.
02:20
So let's jump straight in, find out more about Josh
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์ด์ œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์—ฌ Josh์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ณ 
02:22
and help you level up your listing skills.
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๋“ฑ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ค์‹œ๋‹ค.
02:31
Great.
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ.
02:32
So I'm here with Josh.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์กฐ์‰ฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
Great, Josh nice to see you.
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์ข‹์•„์š”, Josh ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ€์›Œ์š”.
02:36
- Nice to see you, Keith.
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- ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ€์›Œ์š”, ํ‚ค์ด์Šค.
02:38
Thank you for having me.
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์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:39
- How are you doing today?
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- ์˜ค๋Š˜ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์–ด๋• ์–ด์š”?
02:41
- I am okay, I'm hot
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- ๋‚œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„,
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cause I'm in a hot room in Japan right now.
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๋‚œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ๋”์šด ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋”์›Œ .
02:46
There's not a lot of air conditioning here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์—์–ด์ปจ์ด ๋ณ„๋กœ ์—†์–ด์š”.
02:48
- That's right, you're living out in Japan,
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- ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”. ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ์‹œ๋Š”๋ฐ
02:50
which parts of Japan are you in?
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์ผ๋ณธ์˜ ์–ด๋Š ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
02:53
- I'm in Kyoto right now,
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- ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ตํ† ์— ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ตํ†  ๊ต์™ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
02:54
which is kind of a traditional kind of city
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋„์‹œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:57
in the suburbs of Kyoto.
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02:59
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
03:03
Great, so Josh today, I mean we're gonna be talking about
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ Josh๋Š”
03:06
listening skills in English
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์˜์–ด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ
03:08
and in the TOEFL exam and the IELTS exam.
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๊ณผ TOEFL ์‹œํ—˜, IELTS ์‹œํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
Now your organisation is TST Prep.
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์ด์ œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์กฐ์ง์€ TST Prep์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:16
I mean, tell us a little bit about you,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ,
03:18
your background and that organisation.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ๋ฐ ๊ทธ ์กฐ์ง์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
03:20
- Sure.
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- ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
03:21
So about me is, I went to school to get a degree
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ESL TESL์—์„œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋…”๊ณ 
03:26
in ESL TESL, to teach English as a second language,
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, ์ œ 2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
03:30
got my master's in the States, travelled abroad.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์„์‚ฌ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:33
I worked in Japan and Korea, that kind of thing,
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์ €๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ๊ณผ ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ณ 
03:37
worked at a school in New York called ASA College
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๋‰ด์š•์— ์žˆ๋Š” ASA College๋ผ๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ
03:40
for the intensive English programme there
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์ง‘์ค‘ ์˜์–ด ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ–ˆ๊ณ 
03:42
and I was the academic coordinator.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•™์—… ์ฝ”๋””๋„ค์ดํ„ฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:45
And while I was there, there was a TOEFL class
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ํ† ํ”Œ๋ฐ˜
03:48
and the TOEFL class, so to get a student visa in the States,
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๊ณผ ํ† ํ”Œ๋ฐ˜์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋น„์ž๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
03:52
you have to be or to maintain your student visa,
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ํ•™์ƒ๋น„์ž๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
03:56
you have to be sitting in a room for 20 hours
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20์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐฉ์— ์•‰์•„
03:58
learning English or learning something.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.
04:00
So you have to be 20 hours a week in a room studying.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 20์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
And so some students want to take the TOEFL
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
04:08
so they can go into other schools and universities.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™๊ต๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด TOEFL ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์น˜๋ฅด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
And so I was teaching TOEFL 20 hours a week,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 20์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ TOEFL์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:14
there was a class, there was TOEFL every day
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์ˆ˜์—…์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์—
04:16
four hours a day.
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4์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ TOEFL์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:17
- Wow, that's why you're a expert.
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- ์™€์šฐ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:20
- Yeah, that's kinda how I learned so much about it.
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- ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:25
And so that's kind of what led me
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
04:27
to doing more on YouTube and start the TST Prep.
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YouTube์—์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  TST ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
And then we built up a couple of courses
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ TOEFL ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋•๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:34
where we started with helping students
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04:36
with their TOEFL speaking actually.
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04:37
So we would help them improve.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋„์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:39
So that was the big thing
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
04:40
that has made us different is that we really focus
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“  ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
04:43
on trying to improve students' scores
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์˜
04:45
instead of just preparing them for the test
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04:47
actually improving their strategy
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์ „๋žต
04:50
and also their English ability in general.
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๊ณผ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์˜์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š” ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์— ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
And so that's kind of how we got started
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹
04:56
and that's where we're at now.
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์ด๋ฉฐ ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:01
- Great, we'll talk more.
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- ์ข‹์•„, ๋” ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜์ž.
05:03
So our focus today, we're gonna look
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ดˆ์ ์€
05:05
at building up listening skills
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05:07
and ideas for students on the,
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
05:09
to develop their listening skills.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:11
I mean, I think when it comes to exam prep,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„,
05:14
general listing skills, as well as particular ideas
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŒ… ๊ธฐ์ˆ , ์‹œํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŠน์ • ์•„์ด๋””์–ด
05:18
and tips for the exam,
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๋ฐ ํŒ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
05:20
maybe talking first of all
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๋จผ์ €
05:22
about kind of general listening skills.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:24
So with your students,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜
05:25
what do you say to them
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05:27
about developing their listening skills?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:30
- So yeah, so there's a difference
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- ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์œ„ํ•œ
05:32
between improving your listening skills
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
05:35
for a test and then listening skills in general
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์‚ฌ์ด์—๋Š” ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:38
and to make that distinction.
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05:40
So a lot of times, but one good thing about a test
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€
05:42
is that it kind of lets you know where you're at,
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05:45
like how far away you are from what you want,
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์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
05:47
your score and your ability.
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์ ์ˆ˜ ๋ฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์—์„œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ํ˜„์žฌ ์œ„์น˜๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:48
So if you're, pretty far away from your score
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ ์ˆ˜์—์„œ ๊ฝค ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
05:51
it means you have to, like you said
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05:53
improve your general listening skills.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
And you there's one distinction that I make with students.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ตฌ๋ณ„ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•  ๋ง์ด
06:00
I guess there's so many things to say
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ ์–ด๋””์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
06:02
I'm trying to think where to start,
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์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ณ ๋ฏผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
06:04
but there's extensive and there's intensive practise.
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๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์ธ ์—ฐ์Šต์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
And I think that that's one important thing
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
06:09
to think about is that the extensive is
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๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด
06:13
kind of watching things that you enjoy, that you like,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ 
06:15
you're surrounded by English
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06:18
that you're watching movies, reading books.
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์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ์˜์–ด์— ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ธ์—ฌ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฑ…์„
06:20
If you want to read a book, you want to do that,
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์ฝ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์š”
06:23
but something like that.
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06:25
and you're doing things to this for the enjoyment of it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
And you're kind of getting a lot of input
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ž…๋ ฅ
06:29
and hopefully enjoyable input that is mostly comprehensible.
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๊ณผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:34
Most research agrees that you should understand
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์†Œ๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ 
06:38
like over 90% of what the content you're consuming
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์˜ 90% ์ด์ƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:43
to get the most benefit out of it.
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06:45
A lot of students think like,
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๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:47
if I understand about 70% of the texts that's okay,
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ์•ฝ 70%๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
06:50
that's actually kind of hurting you more
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
06:52
than it's helping,
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๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:53
because it's really hard to understand
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06:55
if you only understand seven out of 10 words
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06:58
in a sentence, it'd be very, very difficult.
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๋งค์šฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:02
So that's one thing that I would usually talk
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณดํ†ต
07:05
to students about just kind of some things
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์—
07:07
that they think are helpful
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๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜คํ•ด์ผ
07:11
that might be a misconception
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์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
07:13
and a big one is trying
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ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์€
07:16
to do something that's too difficult.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:18
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
07:19
So that's, yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:20
That's interesting comprehensible input.
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฌ์šด ์ž…๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:21
That's the Krashen, theory, right? Around
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด Krashen, ์ด๋ก ์ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
07:24
having to comprehend that kind of level plus one idea.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ •๋„.
07:28
So you basically, if students are finding
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์ด
07:31
they're listening to something and it's really so difficult
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌ ํ•˜๊ณ 
07:33
they're not getting like even 50%,
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50%๋„ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
07:35
it's maybe better to actually not to be listening to that
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚˜์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:38
to find other sources.
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07:41
- I mean, if you enjoy it and it's engaging great,
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- ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
07:43
like that's the most important thing.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:45
I mean, if you don't understand most of it
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
07:47
but you love watching the show, Friends,
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์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์นœ๊ตฌ,
07:49
let's say or something, then keep doing it
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๋งํ•˜์ž,
07:52
because at least you're engaged
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์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•ฝํ˜ผ
07:53
and you're thinking about it.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
07:54
And so that is the best type of extensive input.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์ž…๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:58
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
07:59
- Because you understand most of it,
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- ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
08:01
there's a couple of things you hear.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:02
You're like, oh, I wonder what that is
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
08:03
or I'm not sure what that means or I think I remember that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ  ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
08:06
And then the intensive stuff is a bit different.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘์  ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:09
The intensive stuff might be a little bit more painful
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์ง‘์ค‘์  ์ธ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊ณ ํ†ต ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:13
I'd say.
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.
08:15
Actual TOEFL practise or
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์‹ค์ œ TOEFL ์—ฐ์Šต์ด๋‚˜
08:17
that kind of thing.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ.
08:18
So I would balance it between the two of
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์žก์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:21
doing something that you enjoy, that's pretty easy,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฝค ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:24
you understand most of it
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ดํ•ด
08:25
and the intensive stuff doesn't have
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด ๊ผญ
08:26
to be difficult necessarily,
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์–ด๋ ค์šธ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
08:28
but it won't be like just watching
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08:30
your favourite Netflix show.
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” Netflix ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. .
08:31
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
08:32
- It might be, like a Ted Talk or something like that.
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- Ted Talk๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:35
- Yep, yep, fantastic.
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- ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด์•ผ.
08:41
So a quick question on the extensive
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08:42
because sometimes I have my own ideas,
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ €๋งŒ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:45
but as students ask,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
08:46
should I be watching a film with subtitles
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์ž๋ง‰์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
08:50
or without subtitles, subtitles in my own language
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ž๋ง‰ ์—†์ด ๋ณด์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋ณด์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
08:53
or subtitles in English, what's our take on subtitles?
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์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋ณด์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
08:58
- Never in your own language.
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- ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
09:00
Never ever because then you're just gonna get lazy
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฒŒ์„๋Ÿฌ์ง€๊ณ 
09:06
and you're just not gonna do the work
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09:07
of trying to figure out what's going on.
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋ ค๋Š” ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:11
The only time I would say that it's recommended
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š”
09:13
is if like you're tired and you don't want to deal with it
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ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
09:16
but you still want extensive practise.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:18
But for the most part, with subtitles is fine.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:21
I don't really have,
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์ •๋ง
09:22
unless you really want to focus on your listening.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:26
You could do a kind of practise where
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09:28
you listen without subtitles and then you play it back
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์ž๋ง‰ ์—†์ด ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค์Œ ์žฌ์ƒํ•˜์—ฌ
09:31
and you try to see if you were correct or not
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09:33
with the subtitles.
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์ž๋ง‰์ด ๋งž๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
- Yeah.
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- ์‘.
09:39
- So usually when, like when I study Japanese, for example
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- ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ณดํ†ต ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๋•Œ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
09:41
I watch a show and I make flashcards
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๋ฐฉ์†ก์„ ๋ณด๊ณ 
09:44
with the sentences that I want to study.
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๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋•Œ ํ•ด์š”.
09:47
Like, so there's apps.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์•ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:49
Like there's a tool on a Google Chrome called
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Google Chrome์— Netflix๋ผ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต
09:53
there's a Chrome extension called
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์ด๋ผ๋Š” Chrome ํ™•์žฅ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋„๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ์š”
09:54
Language Learning with Netflix.
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09:56
And you can just install that extension
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ํ™•์žฅ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์„ค์น˜ํ•˜๋ฉด
09:59
and you can make flashcards
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10:01
from TV shows that you're watching.
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๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” TV ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:04
They have language learning with YouTube.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ YouTube๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:06
It's the same exact thing.
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๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:07
So for me, having really fun engaging content
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
10:11
is like the best thing.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:13
And there's so much out there that you don't really
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
10:16
need to have like a special book,
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ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์ฑ…,
10:19
English book for that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜์–ด ์ฑ…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:20
You can find content on Netflix or YouTube or whatever
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Netflix๋‚˜ YouTube ๋“ฑ์—์„œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜
10:24
and now there's tools where you can actually make flashcards
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ด์ œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
10:27
and do that kind of thing.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋„๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
So my biggest piece of advice would be to,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์กฐ์–ธ์€
10:31
try to watch something and have a tool
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
10:33
where you can make some flashcards
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ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:35
that you can review something about it later.
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.
10:37
- That's fantastic, I like that.
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- ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ด์•ผ. ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์–ด.
10:39
I mean, going back to my learning days of Spanish,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋˜ ์‹œ์ ˆ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ
10:42
I did the old fashioned, but it was the same thing
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๊ตฌ์‹์„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
10:44
so I used to listen to series or TV films,
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์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋‚˜ TV ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๋กœ
10:48
and then write down words as I heard them.
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๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:51
And also they were words that I had just studied
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๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
10:54
or seen somewhere else that seemed relevant
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋ณธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค๋กœ์„œ
10:55
or important for me.
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:58
And I used to go back and listen again
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
11:00
and write down like the collocations or what was the word
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์—ฐ์–ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:03
in which words were going together with it.
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11:05
And then ending up reviewing those,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:07
this now I'm showing my age,
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์ด์ œ ๋‚ด ๋‚˜์ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ 
11:09
but this was before the days of flashcards, Anki
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ, Anki
11:12
and stuff like that.
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๋ฐ ๊ทธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๊ธฐ ์ „์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:13
So I just used to write them down and review them.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:15
But basically now,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€
11:17
as you said, the language learning Chrome plugin.
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๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต Chrome ํ”Œ๋Ÿฌ๊ทธ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:22
It's great.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:23
It makes it so convenient to do to review stuff
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๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† 
11:25
and to learn language.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:26
- Yeah, I mean, so for me, I'm studying Japanese
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- ๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€
11:29
kind of like an hour or two every day for the past,
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์˜ˆ์ „์—๋Š” ๋งค์ผ 1~2์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
11:33
I've had time to study finally
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๋“œ๋””์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
11:35
but so for the past eight months or so,
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์ง€๋‚œ 8๊ฐœ์›” ์ •๋„ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:38
and like with no, no,
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, ์•„๋‹ˆ,
11:41
no, no, no, no.
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ.
11:43
If you're thinking about what you're doing,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
11:46
if you're thinking about the sentences
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๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ์ ๊ณ  ๋ณต์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
11:47
writing them down, reviewing them,
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11:49
that's the best thing, you're thinking about it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
11:51
And that's the most important is
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
11:53
that you're just kind of thinking and trying.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:56
That's one thing that I noticed about using the Anki stuff
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Anki ์ œํ’ˆ
11:59
and the flashcard decks that I think is a little bit
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๊ณผ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ ๋ฐํฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„
12:01
of a hindrance, is that I'm kind of relying
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์˜ ๋ฐฉํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ ์—
12:04
on the technology to tell me what to do
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:06
instead of me kind of thinking about what I should be doing.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ.
12:11
So, and I think that that's the major benefit
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
12:13
of what you were doing before with Spanish.
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์ด์ „์— ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜๋˜ ์ผ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์ด์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:15
- That's interesting.
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- ๊ทธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”.
12:16
That's interesting.
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๊ทธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”.
12:17
- How's your Spanish by the way?
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- ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋Š” ์–ด๋•Œ?
12:19
- No esta mal, no esta mal ('not bad' - Spanish).
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- No esta mal, no esta mal('๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค' - ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด).
12:26
- So I guess it's kind of,
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- ๋ฌผ๋ก 
12:28
it depends on the student of course,
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ํ•™์ƒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ
12:29
but like when a student says
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ํ•™์ƒ์ด
12:31
like they're pretty far away from there IELTS score,
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IELTS ์ ์ˆ˜์—์„œ ๊ฝค ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
12:36
so then maybe test prep is not
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์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€
12:38
the most practical thing right now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ์€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:41
How how should they go about improving their listening
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”
12:43
would you say?
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?
12:45
- So I think one of the first things
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- ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
12:46
I would say to students is to create a listening habit.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์Šต๊ด€์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:50
It's kind of what you said
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12:51
with your Japanese two hours a day
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 2์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜์‹  ๋ง์”€์€
12:53
is just create a time
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12:57
for me, the same time every day same place,
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๋งค์ผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฐ™์€ ์žฅ์†Œ์—์„œ
12:59
where I'm gonna spend 20 minutes
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20๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ
13:01
doing the listing activity and having that habit
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๋ชฉ๋ก ํ™œ๋™์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์Šต๊ด€์„ ๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:04
so you're doing it regularly to develop that skill.
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์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:07
If you've identified that as a skill
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋กœ ์‹๋ณ„ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
13:09
you need to develop and focus on.
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.
13:12
And then I guess having both, so you talked
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
13:17
about extensive listing and intensive listening.
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๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ๋ชฉ๋ก ๊ณผ ์ง‘์ค‘ ์ฒญ์ทจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:19
I think a similar thing as in listening
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์ €๋Š” ์งง์€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ธด ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:22
to shorter texts and also to longer texts,
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.
13:26
because I like to do listening
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š”
13:29
where I kind of take a minute of something
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1๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋“ค์—ฌ
13:32
and I just analyse that minute.
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๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ถ„์„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:34
So I listen to it five times, really,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์„ฏ ๋ฒˆ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง,
13:37
maybe writing down a word, getting the gist,
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ณ , ์š”์ ์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๊ณ ,
13:41
repeating some of the phrases
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ณ ,
13:43
and I just really analyse that for a minute.
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1๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ถ„์„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:45
And that might be my 20 minutes study.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์˜ 20๋ถ„ ๊ณต๋ถ€์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:48
And another day my 20 minutes study might be
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚ ์—๋Š” 20 ๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
13:51
I listen to a 20 minute podcast
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20๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
13:53
and I've got that extensive listening practise
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๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•œ ์ฒญ์ทจ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:56
because the thing is with IELTS
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด IELTS๋Š”
13:59
is you have to be able to focus.
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์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:02
I mean, it's a 30 minute test, right?
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30๋ถ„์งœ๋ฆฌ ์‹œํ—˜ ๋งž์ฃ ?
14:04
There's no mercy.
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์ž๋น„๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
I mean, you're there for 30 minutes.
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ 30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:07
It's question after question.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ›„ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
14:08
You've got to be so focused on being able to listen.
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์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
14:12
But if you only ever listen to
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
14:16
your speaking partner or your classmate
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋‚˜ ๊ธ‰์šฐ์˜ ๋ง๋งŒ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
14:18
and you don't spend like 30 minutes listening
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30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ
14:20
to extended pieces of texts, you're not gonna make it.
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๊ธด ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:24
So that balance short text and long text of listening
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์งง์€ ๊ธ€ ๊ณผ ๊ธด ๊ธ€์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
14:27
I think is pretty important.
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์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:33
And out of curiosity then is the TOEFL,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ TOEFL์€
14:36
are the listenings all American accents?
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์–ต์–‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:39
Or do you have like different country accents?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:42
- So the TOEFL IBT, which is the traditional TOEFL tests
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- ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
14:47
that everybody knows and, according to ETS, loves
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ETS์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ TOEFL ์‹œํ—˜์ธ TOEFL IBT๋Š”
14:52
is pretty straightforward.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:56
It's mostly American, North American accents.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ๋ถ๋ฏธ ์–ต์–‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:59
Once in a while, they would have a British accent
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜๊ตญ ์–ต์–‘์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
15:03
but it was pretty rare.
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๊ฝค ๋“œ๋ญ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:06
I haven't heard one in a while
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ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์†Œ์‹์„ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
15:08
but they have this new test that's TOEFL Essential tests.
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TOEFL Essential ์‹œํ—˜์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์‹œํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:11
And that has accents from all over, some even AI
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜จํ†ต ์•…์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” AI
15:18
speech to text or no text to speech.
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์Œ์„ฑ์„ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™˜ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์Œ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:21
So they have some of those as well,
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15:24
Australian, South African, British.
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ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด, ์˜๊ตญ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:27
So they have all these different accents
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•…์„ผํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ 
15:30
and they're kind of labelling it as a,
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์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„
15:34
international test or whatever you want to call it.
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๊ตญ์ œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ผ๋ฒจ์„ ๋ถ™์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:38
So, yeah, the IBT is usually just American accents
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์˜ˆ, IBT๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์–ต์–‘
15:41
but how about the IELTS, is IELTS all over?
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์ด์ง€๋งŒ IELTS๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? IELTS๋Š” ๋‹ค ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
15:44
Or is that just?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ?
15:45
- It's over.
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- ๋๋‚ฌ์–ด.
15:46
It's a common misunderstanding, right?
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ํ”ํ•œ ์˜คํ•ด์ฃ ?
15:49
The IELTS is a British test
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IELTS๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์‹ ์‹œํ—˜
15:50
and therefore it's all British English.
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์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜๊ตญ์‹ ์˜์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:53
It's not at all.
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์ „ํ˜€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:54
It's very much an international test.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ธ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:56
And so they deliberately have,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ
15:58
mainly your different standard Englishes.
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์ฃผ๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ‘œ์ค€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:00
So you'll get some Australian, Indonesia,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ์ธ๋„๋„ค์‹œ์•„,
16:02
and American, British, Irish, Scottish accent,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ์˜๊ตญ, ์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ, ์Šค์ฝ”ํ‹€๋žœ๋“œ ์–ต์–‘,
16:05
all different accents.
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ต์–‘์„ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:06
Which I think was important for listening
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16:08
because again, some people may just tend to listen
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ BBC๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜
16:12
to the BBC or the voice of America
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16:14
and they get focused on that one accent.
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์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์–ต์–‘์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์— ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:17
And for IELTS, you've got to listen to everything.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  IELTS์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:20
You've got to tune into Australian, to South African,
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ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด,
16:25
radios, whatever it is.
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๋ผ๋””์˜ค ๋“ฑ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ์ฃผํŒŒ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งž์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:27
You need a wide range, a wide range of accents.
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๋„“์€ ๋ฒ”์œ„, ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์•…์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:31
- And yeah, I mean, especially nowadays
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- ๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ํŠนํžˆ ์š”์ฆ˜์—๋Š” ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด์ธ
16:33
you have to be able to communicate,
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16:34
not just a country that the first language is English
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋ฟ๋งŒ
16:37
but people who are both speaking English
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ
16:40
as their second language, that's what we're gonna do.
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์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:42
Most of your communicating actually in my experience
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
16:44
a lot of people.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:45
- Totally.
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- ์™„์ „ํžˆ.
16:46
- Yeah, it's crucial.
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- ๋„ค, ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:47
- I think it's invaluable also, just generally speaking
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- ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด
16:50
to be listening to even, well, not non-standard accents
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๋น„ํ‘œ์ค€ ์–ต์–‘์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
16:55
but accents from other countries, right?
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๊ณจ๊ณ ๋ฃจ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ท€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
16:57
The Japanese speaking English,
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด,
16:59
the Chinese speaking English,
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด,
17:00
the Indians speaking English
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ธ๋„์ธ.
17:02
because as you said, 90% of English communication
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์˜์–ด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์˜ 90%๋Š”
17:05
is between people who are using it as a second language.
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์ œ2์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:08
So with that, it's important to be open to that
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด๊ณ 
17:13
and to be used to that as well.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:19
- What's really interesting is that I sometimes recommend
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- ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€
17:22
for students who want to practise speaking
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17:24
voice typing on Google docs,
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Google ๋ฌธ์„œ์—์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์Œ์„ฑ ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋” ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:26
so if they use Google docs,
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Google ๋ฌธ์„œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
17:28
they can do voice typing and they can speak
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์Œ์„ฑ ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜
17:31
and they can see if the Google docs
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ Google ๋ฌธ์„œ์—์„œ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:34
is recognising what they're saying
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'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
17:36
but they have different English accents.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜์–ด ์–ต์–‘์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ตญ, ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
17:39
And it's not just what you would imagine
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์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
17:42
like UK and South African and Australia
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17:45
but it's also like Nigerian English
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๋‚˜์ด์ง€๋ฆฌ์•„ ์˜์–ด,
17:47
and Thai English and Vietnamese English.
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ํƒœ๊ตญ ์˜์–ด, ๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ ์˜์–ด๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:51
So they have these software that recognises
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜
17:55
the patterns that a lot of speakers from different areas
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ์˜จ ๋งŽ์€ ํ™”์ž๋“ค์˜ ํŒจํ„ด
17:59
of the world and how they speak English.
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๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:02
It's very interesting.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๋‹ค.
18:03
- That is interesting.
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- ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ์ฐธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๋„ค.
18:04
I'm gonna try that.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œ๋„ ํ• ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
18:05
I haven't tried that yet.
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์•„์ง ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:06
- Yeah, yeah.
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- ๋„ค, ๋„ค.
18:07
Voice typing.
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์Œ์„ฑ ์ž…๋ ฅ.
18:08
Yeah, it's a nice little,
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:09
especially for students who don't have a teacher
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ํŠนํžˆ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•  ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
18:11
to work with it, it's a nice thing to practise shadowing
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์‰๋„์ž‰
18:14
or something like that.
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์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:15
- Brilliant.
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- ๋ฉ‹์ง„.
18:20
- Nice, how did you end up there?
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- ์ข‹์•„, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์™”๋‹ˆ?
18:23
- Wow, that's a long story.
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- ์™€์šฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:27
A short version is I lived in Spain in my 20s,
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์งง์€ ๋ฒ„์ „์€ 20๋Œ€์— ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์— ์‚ด์•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ต์‚ฌ์™€ ํŠธ๋ ˆ์ด๋„ˆ๋กœ
18:33
I've spent about 10 years here as a teacher and trainer,
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์•ฝ 10๋…„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ธ
18:37
then I moved to Asia and then I decided
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ํ›„ ์•„์‹œ์•„๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ํ›„ ์•ฝ 3๋…„ ์ „์—
18:39
with my wife and family to come back to Spain
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์•„๋‚ด์™€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:42
about three years ago because we love the country
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘
18:45
and it's a great place to live.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ด๊ธฐ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:47
- Really nice.
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- ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
18:48
So you're yeah, your wife is British as well?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹  ๋ถ€์ธ๋„ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด๊ตฐ์š”?
18:52
- No, my wife is Chinese.
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- ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ œ ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:55
- Wow, okay.
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- ์™€, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
18:57
And our daughter was born in Beijing
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋”ธ์€ ๋ฒ ์ด์ง•์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ์ง€๋งŒ
18:59
but she's a British national and we all speak Spanish.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ ๊ตญ๋ฏผ ์ด๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
It's a bit of a strange family.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ์€ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:06
- That's interesting.
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- ๊ทธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”.
19:07
Yeah, my wife's Japanese.
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:10
The kids were born in the States in America, in New York
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ, ๋‰ด์š•์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ์ง€๋งŒ
19:12
but now we live in Japan.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ผ๋ณธ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:14
And so the kids are confused a little bit.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
I guess it's kind of a similar situation for you as well.
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์•„๋‹๊นŒ ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:23
- It is.
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- ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€.
19:24
- This is something that I didn't know
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- ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
19:27
before we had kids and stuff,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์ „์—๋Š” ๋ชฐ๋ž๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:28
and this is a couple arguments
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฃผ์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:30
that I'm American.
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.
19:32
So I'm used to kids being in a separate room,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์šฐ์Šค๊ฝ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ์•„๊ธฐ์ธ๋ฐ๋„ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋ณ„๋„์˜ ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:35
even when they're a baby
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19:37
which my wife thought was ridiculous.
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.
19:39
And so that's one of the many sacrifices.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ํฌ์ƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:45
- I'm with you, I'm with you
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- ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์š”,
19:46
because the cultural differences around
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19:48
bringing up children are huge in China and England,
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์ค‘๊ตญ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์žˆ์–ด ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”
19:52
I think, yeah.
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.
19:53
Maybe it's an Asian Western thing as well.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์‹œ์•„ ์„œ๋ถ€์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:55
Yeah, we've had our fair share of arguments.
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์˜ˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณต์ •ํ•œ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์„ ๋ฒŒ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:58
I'll say about that.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:02
- Yeah, yeah.
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- ๋„ค, ๋„ค.
20:03
Sure, sure.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
20:07
- Hi guys, how are you doing?
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- ์•ˆ๋…• ์–˜๋“ค์•„, ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๋‹ˆ?
20:09
Are you enjoying the video?
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๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:11
How are your listening skills coming on?
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:14
Can you understand everything?
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:16
Maybe not everything.
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์ „๋ถ€๋Š” ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:17
I know sometimes we get quite fast, right?
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์–ป๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
20:20
But do remember on YouTube just below this video
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ๋Š” YouTube์—์„œ
20:24
you can turn on the closed captions,
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์ž๋ง‰์„ ์ผœ๊ณ 
20:26
look for the CC symbol
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CC ๊ธฐํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ฉด
20:29
and that will give you subtitles in English
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20:31
which can help you with your understanding if you need it.
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ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
20:35
Do remember on YouTube to press the subscribe button
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YouTube์—์„œ ๊ตฌ๋… ๋ฒ„ํŠผ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๊ณ 
20:39
turn on notifications, if you're enjoying this video
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์•Œ๋ฆผ์„ ์ผœ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ด ๋น„๋””์˜ค๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
20:43
and also do check out my new channel,
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์ œ ์ƒˆ ์ฑ„๋„์ธ
20:46
English Speaking Success Shorts.
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English Speaking Success Shorts๋„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
20:49
Very short videos to help you
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20:52
improve your English speaking skills
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20:55
in a very very short time.
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๋งค์šฐ ์งง์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์งง์€ ๋น„๋””์˜ค.
20:57
Go and check it out, the link's down below.
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๊ฐ€์…”์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๋งํฌ๋Š” ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:59
Right now, let's get back to this conversation with Josh.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ Josh์™€์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:09
Let's talk a bit more about the two exams
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‹œํ—˜์ธ
21:12
the TOEFL and the IELTS exams
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TOEFL๊ณผ IELTS ์‹œํ—˜
21:13
and the intensive listening practise and preparation.
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๊ณผ ์ง‘์ค‘ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต ๋ฐ ์ค€๋น„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
21:18
I mean, IELTS has what kind of four sections
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, IELTS๋Š” 4๊ฐœ์˜ ์„น์…˜์ด
21:21
and it's kind of for listening,
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์žˆ๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:23
you basically get to listen
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
21:25
to general English and academic English.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์˜์–ด์™€ ์•„์นด๋ฐ๋ฏน ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:28
You get to listen to one speaker giving a monologue
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21:32
and conversation speakers, for general and academic.
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์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๋ฐ ํ•™์—…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…๋ฐฑ ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์Šคํ”ผ์ปค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ์Šคํ”ผ์ปค๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:38
What's it like in TOEFL?
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TOEFL์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”?
21:40
- Can I ask you a question about IELTS?
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- IELTS์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด๋„ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
21:42
So that there's two tests, is that both tests the same?
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ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๋‘ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฐ€์š”?
21:47
The listening, the general and the academic,
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ, ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๋ฐ ํ•™์—…,
21:49
so the listening section is the same for both?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์„น์…˜์€ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋™์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
21:51
- Exactly, general and academic listening
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- ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด, ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ์•„์นด๋ฐ๋ฏน ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋Š”
21:53
is exactly the same, as is the speaking.
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์™€ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:57
So the speaking and listening tests are the same
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋ฐ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์‹œํ—˜์€
21:59
for academic modules and general modules.
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์•„์นด๋ฐ๋ฏน ๋ชจ๋“ˆ๊ณผ ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๋ชจ๋“ˆ์—์„œ ๋™์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:02
- Okay, I see.
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- ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
22:03
So with the listening it's, so for the IBT,
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ IBT์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
22:07
I'll talk about the IBT.
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IBT์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:08
The Essentials is new, so it's kind of,
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Essentials๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กญ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
22:10
it's throwing me a curve ball lately.
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์š”์ฆ˜ ์ปค๋ธŒ ๋ณผ์„ ๋˜์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:11
I mean, it's different for the Essentials test,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, Essentials ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ
22:16
but for the IBT, the traditional one
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IBT์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋Š”
22:18
is five listening passages.
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5๊ฐœ์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:22
They're separated into two parts.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‘ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋ถ„๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:24
It's a one conversation, two lectures,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”, ๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ฐ•์˜,
22:26
one conversation one lecture.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฐ•์˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€
22:30
You don't see the questions until after the listening.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
22:34
So it's important to take notes and to
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
22:36
kind of be very focused while you're listening.
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๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:39
And the, yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
22:42
And so the conversations all take place on campus.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์บ ํผ์Šค์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:46
So it's all something to do with like university life.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์ƒํ™œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:49
Conversations are usually between a student and a professor
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์ƒ๊ณผ ๊ต์ˆ˜
22:52
or a student and campus worker.
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๊ณผ ์บ ํผ์Šค ์ž‘์—…์ž ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:53
They're about three or four minutes
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์•ฝ 3~4๋ถ„
22:55
followed by five questions.
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ํ›„์— 5๊ฐœ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์ด์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:57
The academic talks are about five minutes
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ํ•™๋ฌธ์  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ์•ฝ 5๋ถ„
23:00
or a range of academic topics.
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํ•™๋ฌธ์  ์ฃผ์ œ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:02
And they're followed by six questions
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  6๊ฐœ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋’ค๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋Š”๋ฐ
23:04
and what makes it so hard is that five minutes,
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5๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด
23:07
I say very quickly and simply,
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๋งค์šฐ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:09
but it's a long time to sit and listen to somebody
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•‰์•„์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
23:12
and to focus.
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์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ๊ธด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:13
And then to remember all that information
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ต
23:15
and try to use it to answer the questions, is tough.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:19
So it's a tough test, tough listening.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํž˜๋“  ์‹œํ—˜์ด๊ณ  ํž˜๋“  ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:21
- That's very interesting
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-
23:22
cause that's a different approach from IELTS
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23:26
because IELTS basically,
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IELTS๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
23:27
you get to read the questions first.
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋จผ์ € ์ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— IELTS์™€๋Š” ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:30
And one of the key strategies
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์ „๋žต ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
23:32
is to read the questions first carefully
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๋จผ์ € ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฃผ์˜ ๊นŠ๊ฒŒ ์ฝ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ด
23:34
and be guessing what the answers could be, right?
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๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ถ”์ธกํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:39
I mean, when you read the questions at the beginning,
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ
23:42
first, it gives you the context.
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๋จผ์ € ์ปจํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:43
So you can activate your schemata.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์Šคํ‚ค๋งˆ๋ฅผ ํ™œ์„ฑํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:46
You can be thinking about,
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23:47
if the topic is global warming what's the language,
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์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ตฌ ์˜จ๋‚œํ™”๋ผ๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€,
23:51
what are the the things you know about it,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:53
but as you're reading it and you look at the gaps and go,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ํ‹ˆ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ
23:55
this is probably a verb.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋™์‚ฌ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:56
This is probably a noun or this is a number
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋ช…์‚ฌ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ˆซ์ž์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:59
and you're getting ready to listen.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋“ค์„ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:02
That's a key skill.
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ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์Šคํ‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:03
For TOEFL then that's not applicable.
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TOEFL์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ํ•ด๋‹น๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:10
So for your kind of listening,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ฒญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
24:13
what's the strategy?
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์ „๋žต์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
24:18
- Well, so I guess, what you're doing is,
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- ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
24:22
I forget the terminology for right now,
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์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:25
but like kind of prepping,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ค€๋น„์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:26
that like before you listen, kind of thinking about,
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24:28
what are the questions and what does that mean,
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24:32
taking guesses about what you think
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24:33
that the listening will be about based on the questions,
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์ถ”์ธกํ•˜๋Š”
24:36
that kind of strategy.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:38
We do encourage them to do a similar thing.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:42
Just kind of understanding the structure
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24:45
of the listening passages.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:46
So they know that they should be looking for something.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:49
So for example, they're gonna know
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”
24:53
that one question after the conversation will be
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ํ›„ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด
24:58
what was this about, what were they talking about?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:00
And so you want to listen for that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:02
You want to listen that the student
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ
25:03
will probably have a problem and the campus worker
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๊ต๋‚ด ์ง์›์ด
25:07
is gonna offer some solutions to that problem.
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…์„ ์ œ์‹œํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:10
So you want to listen for those things.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:11
So by becoming more familiar with the test structure,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์— ๋” ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง์œผ๋กœ์จ
25:15
you can kind of organise your notes a little bit better
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๋…ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ž˜ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜
25:19
and also organise your thinking beforehand
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์žˆ๊ณ  ์ฐพ๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
25:24
of what you want to find.
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.
25:26
And same thing with the lectures.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ•์˜๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:28
You want to figure out what's the main idea.
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์ฃผ์š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:32
What is the professor hoping the students learn
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๊ต์ˆ˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
25:34
by the end of this?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:36
How does the professor illustrate this topic
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๊ต์ˆ˜๋Š”
25:39
with probably two examples
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…
25:42
and try not to focus too much about,
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:45
they shouldn't ask like a very detailed question,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ƒ์„ธํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฌป์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
25:48
like, what year was this invented?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์ œ ๋ฐœ๋ช…๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
25:50
It shouldn't be that specific, but it's kind of like
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ด์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
25:54
why does the professor say this?
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๊ต์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ง€?
25:56
Or, what is implied about this?
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๋˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•”์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:59
So it's more kind of getting the gist of
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
26:02
of what you're listening to and the structure.
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๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ ๊ณผ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์˜ ์š”์ง€๋ฅผ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋” ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:05
- That's interesting.
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- ๊ทธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”.
26:06
So it's listening for gist is really important for that.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์š”์ ์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:09
- Yeah.
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- ์‘.
26:11
Yeah, both general and specific.
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์˜ˆ, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:12
Yeah, so general in the sense
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์˜ˆ, ์ „์ฒด ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์˜ ์š”์ง€์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ด๊ณ 
26:14
of like the gist of the whole passage
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26:16
and more specific, like, kind of
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์ข€ ๋” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
26:18
why does the professor organise the lecture this way
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๊ต์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ 
26:21
or, what were the questions like here?
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๋˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์–ด๋• ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
26:23
- It reminds me actually
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- ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€
26:24
of a technique I was taught as a teacher,
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๊ต์‚ฌ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:27
somebody taught me to do it was
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:29
when listening to a passage to,
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26:31
as you're listening to the passage to try
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26:33
and write the answer to the five W questions
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26:37
like who, when, what, where?
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์„ ๋“ค์„ ๋•Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. , ์–ธ์ œ, ๋ฌด์—‡์„, ์–ด๋””์„œ?
26:39
- I see, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- ์•Œ๊ฒ ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
26:40
- So as you're listening you find out who is it?
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- ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ ?
26:42
It's John.
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์กด์ด์•ผ.
26:43
What's happening, where are they?
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด์•ผ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””์žˆ์–ด?
26:47
And that kind of practise activity.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์—ฐ์Šต ํ™œ๋™.
26:48
And that was the general listening skills.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:50
But actually it sounds like that would be
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด
26:52
the kind of thing might help in TOEFL listening.
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TOEFL ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:57
- Yeah, I think it would.
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- ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
27:00
Sometimes with strategy,
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ
27:03
students get so caught up in the strategy
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์ „๋žต์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ชฐ๋‘ํ•˜์—ฌ
27:05
that they forget they're supposed to listen.
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๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:08
- Right.
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27:08
- So like sometimes with advice
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
- ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ
27:10
like find who, what, where, when, why, like
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€, ๋ฌด์—‡์„, ์–ด๋””์„œ, ์–ธ์ œ, ์™œ,
27:12
they're trying to find who and where and why
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€, ์–ด๋””์„œ, ์™œ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ถฉ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:14
and they forget they're supposed to understand
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
27:16
what they're listening.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:20
I've heard a lot of advice
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๋‚˜๋Š”
27:22
that tends to get into a kind of minefield
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27:24
where people take it a bit too literally
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฌธ์ž ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ธ
27:27
and then forget that they're supposed to just
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๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
27:29
understand what they're listening to.
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๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ง€๋ขฐ๋ฐญ์— ๋น ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:30
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
27:35
- And the biggest challenge of that
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- ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์€
27:38
is taking notes and listening at the same time.
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๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋™์‹œ์— ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:41
So that's a skill that is hard to do.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ํž˜๋“  ์Šคํ‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:45
I don't know, in IELTS today,
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์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ IELTS์—์„œ
27:46
do they have to take notes?
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ํ•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
27:48
When they listen, are they allowed to take notes?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋“ค์„ ๋•Œ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”
27:49
Is that a skill that you have to teach them?
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ธ๊ฐ€์š” ?
27:51
- You're allowed to take notes,
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- ํ•„๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ—ˆ์šฉ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ
27:53
but rather than taking notes on the listening
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27:56
because you already see the question
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์ด๋ฏธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฉ”๋ชจํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  ์ฑ„์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:58
you would be filling in.
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.
27:59
- You would just answer them.
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- ๋Œ€๋‹ต๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:01
- So you're hearing,
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- ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š”
28:03
there's a sentence with a word missing.
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๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋น ์ง„ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:05
The thing is the word missing is probably,
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๋ฝ๋œ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋™์˜์–ด์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์—ญ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
28:08
may not be the same word in the listening
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:11
because it's probably a synonym or a paraphrase.
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.
28:13
- Right.
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- ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
28:14
- And you've got to get the general idea
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- ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฐœ๋…์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•œ
28:16
and then write down a word that fits.
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๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ์— ๋งž๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:19
I think an example IELTS
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IELTS์˜ ์˜ˆ๋Š”
28:22
is to look at the instructions
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28:24
because they have these instructions that say,
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28:27
add one word or use maximum two words,
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ํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ตœ๋Œ€ ๋‘ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
28:32
or put in a word and a number.
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ํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ์ˆซ์ž๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜๋ผ๋Š” ์ง€์นจ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง€์นจ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:35
And you really look at the instructions
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ง€์นจ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ 
28:37
and then when you're making your notes
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๋…ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
28:39
or filling in the gaps,
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๋นˆ์นธ์„ ์ฑ„์šธ ๋•Œ ์ง€์นจ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ
28:41
make sure you get it right
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ž‘์„ฑํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์„ธ์š”
28:44
according to the instructions, yeah.
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.
28:46
- Okay, so for us, first the instructions
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- ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋จผ์ €
28:48
are always the same in TOEFL.
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TOEFL์˜ ์ง€์นจ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋™์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:50
So we actually say don't bother with the instructions.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ง€์นจ์— ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:54
Don't even read them.
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์ฝ์ง€๋„ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
28:55
They're always the same.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋™์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:57
Yeah.
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์‘.
29:02
- So with, I mean, with TOEFL,
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- ํ† ํ”Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ , ํ† ํ”Œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ
29:04
if you're doing kind of a listening class
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
29:07
with TOEFL students, what advice are you giving them?
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, ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
29:11
What strategies are you giving them?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์ „๋žต์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
29:12
- When they come to class,
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- ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜์—…์— ์˜ฌ ๋•Œ,
29:14
usually it's very much like a workshop
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๋ณดํ†ต ์›Œํฌ์ƒต๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ํก์‚ฌํ•˜๋ฉฐ
29:17
and we assign homework to students.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ˆ™์ œ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:20
That's a mix of
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋‚ด์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š”
29:23
these kinds of short activities that we make in-house,
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์งง์€ ํ™œ๋™์˜ ํ˜ผํ•ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
29:26
which is like to, for example,
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29:27
one activity is transcription.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ํ™œ๋™์€ ํ•„์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:29
They have to try to transcribe a 20 second passage.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ 20์ดˆ์˜ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์„ ํ•„์‚ฌํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:34
That's an academic passage,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•™๋ฌธ์  ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ
29:36
so they can listen to that as many times as they want
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŒํผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜
29:37
but they should try to transcribe it.
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•„์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:39
And that is just kind of building listening skills
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ณ 
29:43
in general and also getting used to patterns
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ํŒจํ„ด
29:46
and the way people speak.
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๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:48
Maybe you don't notice when people,
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์•„๋งˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
29:51
when some speakers bring words together
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์–ด๋–ค ํ™”์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋“ค์„ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•  ๋•Œ
29:54
that kind of thing, drop sounds.
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์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋–จ์–ด๋œจ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:57
So we do that type of practise.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:59
We also do finding the main idea
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ
30:02
of a short passage, about 30 seconds or less.
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์•ฝ 30์ดˆ ์ดํ•˜์˜ ์งง์€ ๊ตฌ์ ˆ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:05
And so we go through those types of activities as well.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ํ™œ๋™๋„ ๊ฑฐ์นฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:08
So very practical test prep kind of stuff.
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๋งค์šฐ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ธ ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:11
- Yeah, I mean, I had somebody, I was reading the other day
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- ๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ €๋ฒˆ์—
30:14
about a tip, a listening tip, which was a good tip.
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ํŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฝ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ํŒ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
30:18
So he talked about noticing the structure
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ
30:22
or what we call the discourse markers.
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๋˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ดํ™” ๋งˆ์ปค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:25
Like the things that connect the sentences.
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๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ.
30:28
Like, first of all, I'm gonna talk about this,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋จผ์ € ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ ,
30:30
after that, finally, and noticing the discourse markers
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๊ทธ ํ›„์— ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ดํ™” ๋งˆ์ปค์— ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:33
to help you structure and understand the structure.
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.
30:36
It's a great tip, but in a way,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ
30:39
the tip on its own is not enough
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ํŒ ์ž์ฒด๋กœ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:40
because unless you practise that like 10 times
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด 10๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด 10๋ฒˆ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด
30:44
on 10 different things, it's gonna be no use for you.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์•„๋ฌด ์†Œ์šฉ์ด ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:49
So now I think, yes, the tips are good
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ €๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ, ํŒ์€ ์ข‹์ง€๋งŒ
30:51
but it's putting them into practise,
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30:55
10 times,
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10๋ฒˆ,
30:56
10,000 times.
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10,000๋ฒˆ ์‹คํ–‰์— ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:57
Have you heard of the 10,000 hours, right?
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10,000์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
30:59
That kind of idea.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ.
31:00
- The mastery.
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- ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐ๋ฆฌ.
31:01
- The mastery.
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- ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐ๋ฆฌ.
31:03
Not that those students need 10,000 hours of English
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๊ทธ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด 10,000์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
31:05
but to master anything yes,
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๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
31:07
you need to put in time, time and practise I think.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฐ์Šตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:10
- Like you said, I think the one thing
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- ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
31:13
that you harp on a lot which I think is great
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ํ•˜ํ”„๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€
31:14
is that you really want to enjoy it.
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์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‹œํ—˜์˜
31:17
I think one good thing about a test is that
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ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€
31:19
it really is a good measurement of your skill,
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์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ์ธก์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:22
but yeah, the prep part of it,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ค€๋น„ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€
31:25
can be not so much fun.
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์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:27
And so you want to try to balance that,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—
31:29
like you say about kind of enjoying what you're doing
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๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
31:32
enjoying the process is so important
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:35
because if you're gonna be centred
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31:36
spending a couple hours doing something every day
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31:38
and you're miserable doing it,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ,
31:40
you're not gonna want to do it.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:46
What do you recommend for students to kind of,
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๊ณ ,
31:49
we touched on it a little bit,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‹ค๋ค˜
31:50
but what do you recommend for students
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์ง€๋งŒ, IELTS ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”
31:51
who want to like, enjoy studying the IELTS?
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?
31:54
What are some things that
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31:56
that you would recommend for them for listening?
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์ฒญ์ทจ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
32:01
- It's a very good question.
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- ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:04
Again I think when it comes to general listening,
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ฒญ์ทจ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด
32:08
you need a balance between things you enjoy.
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์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:10
So your favourite Netflix series,
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” Netflix ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ
32:12
but also things that will probably come up.
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๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:15
I mean, so you need to be able to understand
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
32:18
the wide range of topics, right?
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ํญ๋„“์€ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ž–์•„์š”?
32:19
People talking about climate change or science or history.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋‚˜ ๊ณผํ•™ ๋˜๋Š” ์—ญ์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:24
So trying to get a balance between what you like
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
32:27
and things that maybe interest you less,
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๋œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
32:30
but you need to listen to them.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:33
But finding, I mean there are websites,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐพ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:37
I think which are great.
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32:37
I mean, I dunno, there's the ELLO website
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ELLO ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š”
32:42
which is a library,
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๋„์„œ๊ด€,
32:43
a listening library,
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์ฒญ์ทจ ๋„์„œ๊ด€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:45
it has a wealth of stuff
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ํ’๋ถ€ํ•œ ์ž๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
32:48
and it's really good because it has all sorts of stuff.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ž๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:51
It's very natural English.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:52
It's not scripted.
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์Šคํฌ๋ฆฝํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:53
And that's the other problem with films, right,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜ํ™”์˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:55
films are scripted.
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์˜ํ™”๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ณธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:56
So they're not really in natural English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:59
So you want to be careful on not just watching films.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:03
But looking for stuff that is entertaining.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
33:09
And I guess when you're learning and practising
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ๋•Œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜
33:13
to try and take control of your learning
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ํ•™์Šต์„ ํ†ต์ œํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
33:18
so that you're doing it in a way that you enjoy.
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.
33:21
So for example, you really enjoy flashcards
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„
33:24
and you like working with flashcards
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋กœ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„
33:25
and you like designing them and writing them,
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋””์ž์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ
33:28
then use flash cards.
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๋‹ค์Œ ํ”Œ๋ž˜์‹œ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:30
But if that doesn't work for you, don't do it.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
33:33
If you're more into word lists, so the traditional
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹จ์–ด ๋ชฉ๋ก์— ๋” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ชฉ๋ก
33:36
write 20 words in a list, and you write them
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์— 20๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ณ  , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ 
33:39
and if that works for you, then do it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
33:41
So try and find out what works for you
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งž๋Š” ์ผ๊ณผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค
33:43
and what you enjoy doing.
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33:47
It's so important because it goes,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:49
I think it's Stephen Krashen again, "The affective filter"
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” Stephen Krashen์ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•œ "์ •์„œ์  ํ•„ํ„ฐ"๋Š”
33:52
the affective filter,
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์ •์„œ์  ํ•„ํ„ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:53
that the idea that if you're stressed,
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์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ฉด
33:55
your learning goes down
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ํ•™์Šต์ด ์ €ํ•˜๋˜๊ณ 
33:57
and if you're relaxed, your learning ability goes up
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๊ธด์žฅ์„ ํ’€๋ฉด ํ•™์Šต ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋˜๊ณ 
34:00
and it's as simple as that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋งŒํผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:02
And so it's just, it's finding
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
34:04
a way of controlling your learning
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ํ•™์Šต์„ ์ œ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” โ€‹โ€‹๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๊ณ 
34:06
and doing it in a way that you like.
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์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:10
- Yeah.
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- ์‘.
34:15
And I think that that's another thing too,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:17
is with listening, and I think you mentioned this
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๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:20
in a video of yours before,
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์ด์ „์— ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋น„๋””์˜ค์—์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:23
this obsession with being correct,
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์˜ณ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ฆ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง‘์ฐฉ,
34:25
try to be careful with that.
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์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
34:27
It can go overboard and like
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34:31
if you care too much about being correct all the time,
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34:35
like, so for example,
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34:36
if you're doing TOEFL listening or IELTS listening,
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TOEFL ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋‚˜ IELTS ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ
34:38
and you hear a word that you don't know
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๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
34:41
and then you're thinking like, what was that word?
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' ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ญ์˜€์ง€?
34:43
I know that word was that,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€,
34:44
oh, now you're not listening
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์˜ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
34:46
to what to what's going on.
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:47
Now you're thinking about that word.
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์ด์ œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:48
So, you kind of have to be comfortable with
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋“ค์„ ๋•Œ
34:51
not knowing everything that's going on
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์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํŽธ์•ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:54
when you're listening to another language, which is tough.
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ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:57
It's hard to do.
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ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค.
34:58
- It is tough and it's funny.
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- ํž˜๋“ค๊ณ  ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค.
34:59
And it comes from school, right?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
35:01
I mean, my daughter learns French at school
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‚ด ๋”ธ์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ 
35:04
and I speak French.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:05
And now and again, I speak to her in French
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ–ˆ๊ณ 
35:07
and she says, oh you can't say that daddy,
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” "์˜ค ์•„๋น ,
35:09
we've not studied that yet.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:11
And I'm like, but in real life,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ์น˜, ์‹ค์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š”
35:12
it's not just what you study, it's being exposed
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๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๊ณ 
35:15
and being comfortable, not knowing everything.
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ํŽธ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๋ฉฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:18
So, yeah, I think that is important actually
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค
35:21
that you're not obsessing.
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์ง‘์ฐฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:24
When you're listening,
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๋“ค์„ ๋•Œ
35:26
don't be always looking up every word
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
35:28
because that's not a listening skill
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ดํœ˜ ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
35:30
that's vocabulary learning.
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.
35:32
So know why you're listening.
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์™œ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
35:34
If you're listening to learn vocabulary, great.
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์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:36
Look up word.
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๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„
35:37
If you're listening to develop your skills of listening,
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๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
35:41
don't look up every word.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
35:43
It's a different, yeah.
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๋„ค, ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:44
Great, well Josh,
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์กฐ์‰ฌ,
35:46
I think we're gonna start winding up.
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๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
35:48
For students to find out more
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
35:50
about you and about TOEFL,
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๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ TOEFL์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๋ฉด
35:52
maybe where should they go?
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์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
35:55
- Sure.
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- ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
35:57
So well, our site tstprep.com.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ tstprep.com.
36:00
On the site there's free sample tests
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์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—๋Š” TOEFL IBT๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
36:02
that you can check out the TOEFL IBT
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36:05
and we're making TOEFL Essential stuff now as well.
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ํ˜„์žฌ TOEFL Essential ํ•ญ๋ชฉ๋„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:08
And you can also check the site.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ๋„ ํ™•์ธ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:09
We're gonna start doing Duolingo
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
36:11
in a couple of months and yeah.
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๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์•ˆ์— Duolingo๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:14
And hopefully people enjoy it and find it helpful.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:18
And yeah, so tstprep.com and also our YouTube channel.
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๋„ค, tstprep.com๊ณผ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:21
I'm there talking to a screen.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™”๋ฉด์— ๋Œ€๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:24
- Brilliant.
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36:24
Go and check all of those.
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- ๋ฉ‹์ง„.
๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
36:25
That sounds fantastic.
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ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:27
Josh it has been a pleasure talking to you.
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Josh ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:28
Thank you very much for coming along
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์˜ค์…”์„œ
36:30
and sharing your thoughts on listening skills.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:32
- Thank you, Keith.
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- ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ, ํ‚ค์ด์Šค.
36:33
Thank you for having me, I appreciate it.
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์ €๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:34
- Take care all the best.
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- ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
36:36
- Okay, bye-bye
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- ์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ์•ˆ๋…•
36:38
- There we are.
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- ๋์–ด.
36:39
I hope you enjoyed this video.
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์ด ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์…จ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:41
If you found this video useful,
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์ด ์˜์ƒ์ด ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด
36:43
then you should watch this video
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36:45
with another teacher Datio from Vietnam
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์˜ Datio ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ณ 
36:48
and we're having a conversation about IELTS speaking.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” IELTS ์Šคํ”ผํ‚น์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:53
That's it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
36:54
Thank you very much for watching.
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:55
And I look forward to seeing you in a few moments
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž ์‹œ ํ›„
36:58
in the next video.
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๋‹ค์Œ ์˜์ƒ์—์„œ ๋ต™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:00
Take care now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
37:02
Bye bye.
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์•ˆ๋…•.
37:04
Oh dear, oh dear.
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์˜ค ์ด๋Ÿฐ, ์˜ค ์ด๋Ÿฐ.
37:05
Is it TEFL, Tafel, Toffel, tofu.
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TEFL์ธ๊ฐ€, Tafel์ธ๊ฐ€, Toffel์ธ๊ฐ€, ๋‘๋ถ€์ธ๊ฐ€.
37:11
Oh dear, it's not TEFL, right?
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์˜ค ์ด๋Ÿฐ, TEFL์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ ?
37:12
Because that's a teacher's qualification, right?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์˜ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
37:14
Yeah, yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
37:15
And it's not tofu because that's a kind of food.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์Œ์‹์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‘๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
37:18
Dear, oh dear.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ, ์ด๋Ÿฐ.
37:19
It must be TOEFL, right?
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ํ† ํ”Œ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
37:22
Gosh, I hope so.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:24
Anyway, there's only a few thousand people watching.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๋ณด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ช‡ ์ฒœ ๋ช…์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:30
(upbeat music)
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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