English Listening Comprehension: Native Speaker Conversation

116,465 views ・ 2021-04-30

Benjamin’s English


μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ²ˆμ—­λœ μžλ§‰μ€ 기계 λ²ˆμ—­λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

00:00
Hello, and welcome back to engVid with me, Benjamin, and special guest, Rich.
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μ•ˆλ…•ν•˜μ„Έμš”. 벀자민과 νŠΉλ³„ 게슀트인 λ¦¬μΉ˜μ™€ ν•¨κ»˜ engVid에 λ‹€μ‹œ μ˜€μ‹  것을 ν™˜μ˜ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
00:06
That's right.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
00:07
Two people, one video, two native speakers for the price of one.
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2λͺ…, λΉ„λ””μ˜€ 1개, 원어민 2λͺ…을 ν•œ λͺ… κ°€κ²©μœΌλ‘œ μ œκ³΅ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:12
Well, actually, it's free, isn't it, because it's on YouTube.
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κΈ€μŽ„μš”, 사싀, 그것은 λ¬΄λ£Œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그렇지 μ•Šλ‚˜μš”? YouTube에 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:16
So what do you need to do if you find stuff useful?
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μœ μš©ν•œ 정보λ₯Ό 찾으면 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ ν•΄μ•Ό ν• κΉŒμš”?
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Subscribe.
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κ΅¬λ…ν•˜λ‹€.
00:20
Now, what are you going to get in this video today?
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자, 였늘 이 λΉ„λ””μ˜€μ—μ„œ 무엇을 얻을 κ±΄κ°€μš”? μ‹€μƒν™œ λŒ€ν™”μ˜
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You are going to get authentic listening practice of a real-life conversation, at the end of
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μ§„μ§œ λ“£κΈ° μ—°μŠ΅μ„ ν•˜κ²Œ 될 것이며 , λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰μ—λŠ” λŒ€ν™”μ˜
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which you'll be able to do the quiz to make sure that you've understood basic elements
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κΈ°λ³Έ μš”μ†Œλ₯Ό μ΄ν•΄ν–ˆλŠ”μ§€ ν™•μΈν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•œ ν€΄μ¦ˆλ₯Ό ν’€ 수 μžˆμ„ κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
00:39
of the conversation.
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00:41
Rich has a fascinating sort of life-work experience that he's going to be sharing to do with coming
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RichλŠ”
00:48
from the UK and coming and working in North America, and also he - because he's moved
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μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œ 였고 λΆλ―Έμ—μ„œ 였고 μΌν•˜λŠ” 것과 κ΄€λ ¨ν•˜μ—¬ κ³΅μœ ν•˜κ²Œ 될 맀혹적인 일생 κ²½ν—˜μ„ 가지고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ˜ν•œ κ·ΈλŠ” μΊλ‚˜λ‹€λ‘œ μ΄μ£Όν–ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ—
00:56
to Canada, he's had to do the IELTS test, so we'll be hearing first-hand experience
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IELTS μ‹œν—˜μ„ μΉ˜λŸ¬μ•Ό ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μš°λ¦¬λŠ”
01:02
of a native speaker of English who has had to do the IELTS and how he found that.
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IELTSλ₯Ό μΉ˜λŸ¬μ•Ό ν–ˆλ˜ μ˜μ–΄ μ›μ–΄λ―Όμ˜ 직접적인 κ²½ν—˜κ³Ό κ·Έκ°€ 그것을 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μ°Ύμ•˜λŠ”μ§€ λ“£κ²Œ 될 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:08
So, Rich, tell us, whereabouts are you from in the UK?
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자, Rich, μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œ μ–΄λ””μ—μ„œ μ™”λŠ”μ§€ μ•Œλ €μ£Όμ„Έμš”.
01:14
I am from a county called Essex, which is just northeast of London, so I grew up there
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μ €λŠ” 런던의 뢁동μͺ½μ— μžˆλŠ” EssexλΌλŠ” μΉ΄μš΄ν‹° μΆœμ‹ μ΄λ―€λ‘œ 17μ„ΈκΉŒμ§€ κ·Έκ³³μ—μ„œ 자랐고
01:22
until I was 17 years old, went to university in Brighton, about 50 miles south of London,
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λŸ°λ˜μ—μ„œ 남μͺ½μœΌλ‘œ μ•½ 50마일 떨어진 λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ—μ„œ λŒ€ν•™μ„ λ‹€λ…”κ³ 
01:33
went to study English and linguistics in Brighton for three years, stayed there for another
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λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ—μ„œ 3λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ μ˜μ–΄μ™€ 언어학을 κ³΅λΆ€ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 7 년을 더 λ¨Έλ¬Όλ €λ‹€
01:39
seven.
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01:40
So, I was in Brighton for roughly a decade before coming here to Canada, so.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” μ—¬κΈ° μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ— 였기 전에 μ•½ 10λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ— μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:49
So lots of people, when they go and visit the UK, tend to go to London and not many
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μ˜κ΅­μ„ λ°©λ¬Έν•  λ•Œ 런던
01:54
other places outside of that.
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μ΄μ™Έμ˜ λ‹€λ₯Έ 곳은 거의 가지 μ•ŠλŠ” κ²½ν–₯이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:56
That's true, yeah.
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그건 사싀이야, 그래.
01:58
Would you recommend a little sort of jaunt down on the train down to Brighton?
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λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌκΉŒμ§€ κΈ°μ°¨λ₯Ό 타고 λ‚΄λ €κ°€λŠ” μ†Œν’μ„ μΆ”μ²œν•΄ μ£Όμ‹œκ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
02:03
Yeah.
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02:04
Brighton is - Brighton's a beautiful city.
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λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ€ - λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ€ μ•„λ¦„λ‹€μš΄ λ„μ‹œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:07
It's quite easy to get to from London.
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λŸ°λ˜μ—μ„œ κ°€λŠ” 방법은 μ•„μ£Ό μ‰½μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λŸ°λ˜μ—μ„œ
02:10
You can take a train within about 45 minutes from London to get down to Brighton.
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μ•½ 45λΆ„ 이내에 κΈ°μ°¨λ₯Ό 타고 λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌκΉŒμ§€ λ‚΄λ €κ°ˆ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:17
Fantastic nightlife, great restaurants, great people, there's a beach there, it doesn't
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ν™˜μƒμ μΈ λ‚˜μ΄νŠΈλΌμ΄ν”„, ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ λ ˆμŠ€ν† λž‘, ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€, 해변이 있고
02:22
have sand, it has pebbles, which is not quite the same experience, but yeah, it's a great
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λͺ¨λž˜κ°€ μ—†κ³  자갈이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ™„μ „νžˆ λ˜‘κ°™μ€ κ²½ν—˜μ€ μ•„λ‹ˆμ§€λ§Œ, 그래, ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ
02:28
city.
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λ„μ‹œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:29
I hold Brighton in a very special place in my heart.
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μ €λŠ” λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ„ 제 마음 속 μ•„μ£Ό νŠΉλ³„ν•œ μž₯μ†Œμ— 두고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:34
And it was there that you started your professional career as working in sales?
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그리고 κ·Έκ³³μ—μ„œ μ˜μ—… μ—…λ¬΄λ‘œ μ „λ¬Έ κ²½λ ₯을 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜μ…¨μŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
02:39
Yeah, yeah.
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그래, 그래.
02:41
I had a few different jobs coming out of university.
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μ €λŠ” λŒ€ν•™μ„ μ‘Έμ—…ν•˜κ³  λͺ‡ 가지 λ‹€λ₯Έ 직업을 κ°€μ‘ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
02:44
I worked in a bar for a few years, as most people do.
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λ‚˜λŠ” λŒ€λΆ€λΆ„μ˜ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 그렇듯이 μˆ μ§‘μ—μ„œ λͺ‡ λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ μΌν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
02:50
That bar was next door to an office space, a lot of the people from that office used
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κ·Έ λ°”λŠ” 사무싀 곡간 μ˜†μ— μžˆμ—ˆλŠ”λ°, κ·Έ μ‚¬λ¬΄μ‹€μ—μ„œ 온 λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄
02:55
to come and drink in the bar.
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λ°”μ—μ„œ μˆ μ„ λ§ˆμ‹œκ³€ ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:59
I got into a conversation with one of the managing directors in the patio, having a
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λ‚˜λŠ” νŒŒν‹°μ˜€μ—μ„œ λ‹΄λ°°λ₯Ό ν”Όμš°λ©° 관리 이사 쀑 ν•œ λͺ…κ³Ό λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ„μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
03:07
cigarette break.
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03:09
They were having a conversation about English and semantics, which I'd just written my dissertation
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그듀은 λ‚΄κ°€ 방금 논문을 썼던 μ˜μ–΄μ™€ μ˜λ―Έλ‘ μ— λŒ€ν•΄ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ„κ³  μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
03:14
about.
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03:15
So, I joined in a conversation with those guys, they asked me for a resume.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ‚˜λŠ” κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€κ³Ό λŒ€ν™”μ— μ°Έμ—¬ν–ˆκ³  그듀은 λ‚˜μ—κ²Œ 이λ ₯μ„œλ₯Ό μš”μ²­ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:21
And then about three or four weeks later, I had a job, fairly entry-level job.
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그리고 μ•½ 3-4μ£Ό 후에 μ €λŠ” 일자리λ₯Ό μ–»μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μƒλ‹Ήνžˆ 초보적인 μ§μ—…μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:30
And was there for some time, ended up working for a different company just down the street,
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그리고 μ–Όλ§ˆ λ™μ•ˆ 거기에 μžˆμ—ˆκ³  κ²°κ΅­ κΈΈ λ°”λ‘œ μ•„λž˜μ— μžˆλŠ” λ‹€λ₯Έ νšŒμ‚¬μ—μ„œ μΌν•˜κ²Œ λ˜μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:37
kind of a small software company, software as a service company, quite niche in what
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μΌμ’…μ˜ μž‘μ€ μ†Œν”„νŠΈμ›¨μ–΄ νšŒμ‚¬, μ„œλΉ„μŠ€ νšŒμ‚¬λ‘œμ„œμ˜ μ†Œν”„νŠΈμ›¨μ–΄, 그듀이 ν•˜λŠ” μΌμ—μ„œ μ•„μ£Ό ν‹ˆμƒˆ μ‹œμž₯μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
03:44
they do.
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03:45
And that's the company that I've worked for now for eight years.
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그리고 그것이 μ œκ°€ μ§€κΈˆκΉŒμ§€ 8λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ 일해 온 νšŒμ‚¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:48
So that's interesting that you got one of your first jobs from a conversation from your
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 당신이 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μ‚¬νšŒμ  기술의 λŒ€ν™”μ—μ„œ 첫 번째 직업 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λ₯Ό μ–»μ—ˆκ³  μ˜λ„μ  인 λŒ€ν™”μ™€ 같은 μ™ΈλΆ€ μ‚¬λžŒ
03:55
social skills and not being afraid to talk to someone outside of like a, you know, purposeful
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κ³Ό μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•˜λŠ” 것을 λ‘λ €μ›Œν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λŠ” 것이 ν₯λ―Έ λ‘­μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
04:01
conversation.
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04:02
Yeah.
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04:03
Well, there's the old saying, right?
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κΈ€μŽ„μš”, μ˜›λ§μ΄ 있죠 ?
04:05
It's not what you know, it's who you know.
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당신이 μ•„λŠ” 것이 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ 당신이 μ•„λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:08
So it was a fairly unorthodox route into what I do.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 그것은 λ‚΄κ°€ ν•˜λŠ” 일에 λŒ€ν•œ μƒλ‹Ήνžˆ 비정톡적인 κ²½λ‘œμ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:15
What I do now is kind of still loosely related to that very first job I had.
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μ§€κΈˆ λ‚΄κ°€ ν•˜λŠ” 일은 λ‚΄κ°€ κ°€μ‘Œλ˜ λ°”λ‘œ κ·Έ 첫 직업과 λŠμŠ¨ν•˜κ²Œ μ—°κ΄€λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:21
So if I kind of - if I look back over the timeline of my career, I owe a lot of what
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 제 κ²½λ ₯의 νƒ€μž„λΌμΈμ„ λŒμ•„λ³΄λ©΄
04:29
I do now.
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μ§€κΈˆ μ œκ°€ ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ” 일에 λ§Žμ€ λΉšμ„ 지고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:30
I owe where I live now to one conversation in a patio, in a bar, over a cigarette break.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μ§€κΈˆ λ‚΄κ°€ μ‚¬λŠ” κ³³μ—μ„œ νŒŒν‹°μ˜€μ—μ„œ, λ°”μ—μ„œ, λ‹΄λ°°λ₯Ό ν”Όμš°λŠ” λ™μ•ˆ ν•œ 번의 λŒ€ν™” 덕뢄에 λΉšμ§€κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:38
Really?
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정말?
04:39
And where do you live now?
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그리고 당신은 μ§€κΈˆ 어디에 μ‚΄κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
04:40
I live here in Canada, in Toronto.
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μ €λŠ” μ—¬κΈ° μΊλ‚˜λ‹€ 토둠토에 μ‚΄κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
04:44
I've been here for about four years, just coming up to four years.
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μ €λŠ” 이곳에 μ˜¨μ§€ 4λ…„ 정도 λ˜μ—ˆκ³  이제 곧 4년이 λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:51
I worked for - I still work for the same company.
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λ‚˜λŠ” μΌν–ˆλ‹€ – λ‚˜λŠ” μ—¬μ „νžˆ 같은 νšŒμ‚¬μ—μ„œ μΌν•œλ‹€.
04:56
So I essentially relocated with the same business to help them grow in - right the way across
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” 그듀이 μ„±μž₯ν•  수 μžˆλ„λ‘ 본질적으둜 같은 사업체와 ν•¨κ»˜ μ΄μ „ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ°”λ‘œ
05:02
North America.
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뢁미 μ „μ—­μ—μ„œ 말이죠.
05:04
So you travel quite a lot for work?
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 당신은 일을 μœ„ν•΄ κ½€ 많이 μ—¬ν–‰ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
05:06
Lots of travel.
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λ§Žμ€ μ—¬ν–‰.
05:08
Lots of travel.
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λ§Žμ€ μ—¬ν–‰.
05:10
I'm on a plane roughly every 10 days.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 거의 10일에 ν•œ λ²ˆμ”© λΉ„ν–‰κΈ°λ₯Ό 탔닀.
05:16
So it's a lot of travel to the US.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ―Έκ΅­ 여행을 많이 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:20
Our clients and our target market tends to be membership-based organizations, so large
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우리 고객과 λͺ©ν‘œ μ‹œμž₯은 νšŒμ› 기반 쑰직인 κ²½ν–₯이 μžˆμœΌλ―€λ‘œ
05:29
trade organizations for engineers, for scientists, for mathematicians.
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μ—”μ§€λ‹ˆμ–΄, κ³Όν•™μž, μˆ˜ν•™μžλ₯Ό μœ„ν•œ λŒ€κ·œλͺ¨ 무역 μ‘°μ§μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:37
So it's a very niche customer base.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ 맀우 ν‹ˆμƒˆ 고객 κΈ°λ°˜μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:41
Most of those organizations are based in Washington DC, New York City, and Chicago.
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μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ 쑰직의 λŒ€λΆ€λΆ„μ€ μ›Œμ‹±ν„΄ DC, λ‰΄μš•μ‹œ 및 μ‹œμΉ΄κ³ μ— κΈ°λ°˜μ„ 두고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:48
So a lot of travel to all three of those cities, all three of which are quite close to Toronto.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ μ„Έ λ„μ‹œ λͺ¨λ‘ 토둠토와 맀우 κ°€κΉŒμš΄ μ„Έ λ„μ‹œλ‘œ λ§Žμ€ 여행을 λ– λ‚©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:54
They're all less than two hours on a plane.
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그듀은 λͺ¨λ‘ λΉ„ν–‰κΈ°μ—μ„œ 2μ‹œκ°„λ„ 채 걸리지 μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:59
And how is life on the road?
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그리고 κΈΈ μœ„μ˜ 삢은 μ–΄λ–»μŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
06:04
You were saying earlier that it's actually quite a lot of work, and although you sort
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당신은 이전에 그것이 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ κ½€ λ§Žμ€ 일이라고 λ§ν–ˆκ³ ,
06:06
of take pictures of monuments when you go past them, it's, you know, most of the time
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기념물을 μ§€λ‚˜κ°ˆ λ•Œ μΌμ’…μ˜ 사진을 μ°μ§€λ§Œ, λŒ€λΆ€λΆ„μ˜ μ‹œκ°„μ€
06:11
you are working hard.
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당신이 μ—΄μ‹¬νžˆ μΌν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:13
Yeah, it's not as glamorous as it seems maybe in the movies or on Instagram.
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예, μ˜ν™”λ‚˜ μΈμŠ€νƒ€κ·Έλž¨μ—μ„œ λ³΄μ΄λŠ” κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌ ν™”λ €ν•˜μ§€λŠ” μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:23
It's a lot of hotels, a lot of airports, a lot of meeting rooms.
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λ§Žμ€ ν˜Έν…”, λ§Žμ€ 곡항, λ§Žμ€ νšŒμ˜μ‹€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:27
It is tiring, it's a lot of work, but it's fun as well.
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ν”Όκ³€ν•˜κ³  일이 λ§Žμ§€λ§Œ μž¬λ―Έλ„ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:34
I've been lucky enough to see some of the most wonderful cities in the US, you know,
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μ €λŠ” 운이 μ’‹κ²Œλ„ λ―Έκ΅­μ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ 멋진 λ„μ‹œλ₯Ό λ³Ό 수 μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:42
Boston, New York City, Chicago, DC, you know, all these beautiful places.
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λ³΄μŠ€ν†€, λ‰΄μš•, μ‹œμΉ΄κ³ , DC, 이 λͺ¨λ“  μ•„λ¦„λ‹€μš΄ κ³³μ„μš”.
06:49
Often I don't get much time to see them as much as I'd like.
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μ’…μ’… λ‚΄κ°€ μ›ν•˜λŠ” 만큼 그듀을 λ³Ό μ‹œκ°„μ΄ λ§Žμ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:55
So it's tiring.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ ν”Όκ³€ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:57
I think the thing that makes it time well spent for me is as a salesperson, I really
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μ‹œκ°„μ„ μ•Œμ°¨κ²Œ λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” 것은 μ˜μ—…μ‚¬μ›μœΌλ‘œμ„œ 잠재 고객과 λ§ˆμ£Όν• 
07:05
value any face time I can have with a potential customer.
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수 μžˆλŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μ‹œκ°„μ„ 정말 μ†Œμ€‘ν•˜κ²Œ μƒκ°ν•˜κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ΄λΌκ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
07:09
I'd much rather sit down in front of someone like we are now versus have a phone call or,
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μ „ν™”λ₯Ό λ°›κ±°λ‚˜
07:16
you know, speak on a kind of video conference or something like that.
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μΌμ’…μ˜ 화상 νšŒμ˜μ—μ„œ λ§ν•˜λŠ” 것보닀 μ§€κΈˆμ²˜λŸΌ λˆ„κ΅°κ°€ μ•žμ— 앉아 μžˆλŠ” 편이 λ‚«μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λŒ€λ©΄ λŒ€ν™”μ˜ κ°€μΉ˜μ™€ νž˜μ„
07:21
I don't think you can ever underestimate the value and the power of having a face-to-face
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κ²°μ½” κ³Όμ†Œν‰κ°€ν•  수 μ—†λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€
07:28
conversation.
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07:29
Interesting.
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ν₯미둜운.
07:30
I'm going to take the conversation on a slightly different angle now.
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이제 쑰금 λ‹€λ₯Έ κ°λ„μ—μ„œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•΄λ³΄κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ³ ν–₯이 μ•„λ‹Œ
07:34
So how are you enjoying life in North America generally as opposed to back home?
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λΆλ―Έμ—μ„œμ˜ 삢을 일반적으둜 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 즐기고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ ?
07:40
It's great, yeah.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”. λ„€.
07:42
It's quite cold here.
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μ—¬κΈ°λŠ” κ½€ μΆ₯μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:45
It was quite difficult for a British guy getting used to minus 30 degrees Celsius weather in
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μ˜ν•˜ 30λ„μ˜ 겨울 날씨에 영ꡭ인이 μ μ‘ν•˜κΈ°λž€ κ½€ νž˜λ“  μΌμ΄μ—ˆλ‹€
07:52
the wintertime.
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07:53
But in general, I love Toronto.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 일반적으둜 λ‚˜λŠ” ν† λ‘ ν† λ₯Ό μ’‹μ•„ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. ν† λ‘ ν† 
07:56
The city of Toronto is beautiful.
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의 λ„μ‹œλŠ” 아름닡닀.
08:00
Ontario as a province of Canada is stunning.
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μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ˜ ν•œ 주인 μ˜¨νƒ€λ¦¬μ˜€λŠ” λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:04
We're just coming out of the fall season now, the autumn season, which is absolutely magnificent
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 이제 가을 μ‹œμ¦Œμ—μ„œ 막 λ²—μ–΄λ‚˜κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 가을 μ‹œμ¦Œμ€
08:11
around here, just to drive around Ontario and see the trees changing color is stunning.
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μ—¬κΈ° 주변이 정말 μ›…μž₯ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ˜¨νƒ€λ¦¬μ˜€ 주변을 λ“œλΌμ΄λΈŒν•˜κ³  λ‚˜λ¬΄κ°€ 색이 λ³€ν•˜λŠ” 것을 λ³΄λŠ” κ²ƒλ§ŒμœΌλ‘œλ„ λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ—½μ„œμ—μ„œ
08:19
Looks like something from a postcard.
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λ³Έ 것 κ°™μ€λ°μš” .
08:22
I am a big sports fan.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 큰 슀포츠 νŒ¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:24
So, I mean, there's as much sport as you could possibly ever watch in a lifetime.
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즉, 평생 λ™μ•ˆ λ³Ό 수 μžˆλŠ” 만큼의 μŠ€ν¬μΈ κ°€ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:30
You've got used to ice hockey.
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당신은 μ•„μ΄μŠ€ν•˜ν‚€μ— μ΅μˆ™ν•΄μ‘ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:31
Yeah, I still get told off for calling it ice hockey and not hockey.
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그래, λ‚˜λŠ” 아직도 그것을 ν•˜ν‚€κ°€ μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ μ•„μ΄μŠ€ν•˜ν‚€λΌκ³  λΆ€λ₯Έλ‹€κ³  λΉ„λ‚œμ„ λ°›λŠ”λ‹€.
08:38
But yeah, I enjoy watching the Maple Leafs.
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ„€, μ €λŠ” Maple Leafsλ₯Ό λ³΄λŠ” 것을 μ¦κΉλ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:43
The Toronto Raptors had an incredible summer this year.
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ν† λ‘ ν†  λž©ν„°μŠ€λŠ” μ˜¬ν•΄ λ†€λΌμš΄ 여름을 λ³΄λƒˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:47
They won the NBA championship, which was basketball, yeah.
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그듀은 농ꡬ인 NBA μ±”ν”Όμ–Έμ‹­μ—μ„œ μš°μŠΉν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ . 정말
08:54
That was incredible.
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λŒ€λ‹¨ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μš°μŠΉμ„ μ°¨μ§€ν•œ μƒˆλ²½ 3μ‹œκΉŒμ§€
08:55
There were tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people pouring onto the streets of Toronto
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ν† λ‘ ν† μ˜ κ±°λ¦¬μ—λŠ” μˆ˜μ‹­λ§Œ λͺ…은 μ•„λ‹ˆλ”λΌλ„ μˆ˜μ‹­λ§Œ λͺ…μ˜ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μŸμ•„μ Έ λ‚˜μ™€
09:01
partying until three o'clock in the morning when they won the championship.
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νŒŒν‹°λ₯Ό 즐겼닀 .
09:07
So it's great as a sports fan, this is a really cool place to be, quite literally, weatherwise.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 슀포츠 νŒ¬μœΌλ‘œμ„œ 정말 쒋은 κ³³μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 이곳은 말 κ·ΈλŒ€λ‘œ 날씨 λ©΄μ—μ„œ 정말 멋진 κ³³μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:15
And in terms of differences between here and back home, I mean, when I first met you, you
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그리고 여기와 κ³ ν–₯의 차이점에 κ΄€ν•΄μ„œλŠ” , 제 말은 μ œκ°€ 처음 당신을 λ§Œλ‚¬μ„ λ•Œ λ‹Ήμ‹ 
09:22
were talking about how you had to adjust the way you were speaking in business and you
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은 λΉ„μ¦ˆλ‹ˆμŠ€μ—μ„œ λ§ν•˜λŠ” 방식을 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μ‘°μ •ν•΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ”μ§€,
09:27
had to kind of slow your speech down and that you were able to be a bit more direct.
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λ§ν•˜λŠ” 속도λ₯Ό μ’€ λŠ¦μΆ°μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ”μ§€μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ’€ 더 직섀적일 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:35
Would you say there are communication differences between?
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사이에 μ˜μ‚¬ μ†Œν†΅μ˜ 차이가 μžˆλ‹€κ³  말할 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
09:39
I think in business, yes, socially, not so much.
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λ‚˜λŠ” λΉ„μ¦ˆλ‹ˆμŠ€μ—μ„œ, 예, μ‚¬νšŒμ μœΌλ‘œ κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ 많이 μƒκ°ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:44
I think I don't have a problem so much with my British accent in Canada.
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제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ—μ„œ μ˜κ΅­μ‹ 얡양에 그닀지 λ¬Έμ œκ°€ μ—†λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:54
Canada, Toronto especially, is a very diverse place, you know, more than 50% of people that
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μΊλ‚˜λ‹€, 특히 ν† λ‘ ν† λŠ” 맀우 λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ κ³³μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 토둠토에 μ‚¬λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ˜ 50% 이상이
10:01
live in Toronto were not born in Canada.
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μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ—μ„œ νƒœμ–΄λ‚˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:04
So it's a very, in fact, one of the most diverse cities in the world.
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사싀 이곳은 μ„Έκ³„μ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ λ„μ‹œ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:09
So here in Toronto, I don't have too many barriers, in fact, I don't think I have any
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ—¬κΈ° ν† λ‘ ν† μ—μ„œ μ €λŠ” λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ§Žμ€ μž₯벽이 μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 사싀 μ €λŠ” μ‚¬νšŒμ μœΌλ‘œ μ–΄λ–€ μž₯벽도 μ—†λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€
10:14
barriers socially.
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.
10:17
Business is slightly different.
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사업은 쑰금 λ‹€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:19
I deal with Americans quite frequently.
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λ‚˜λŠ” 미ꡭ인듀과 κ½€ 자주 κ±°λž˜ν•œλ‹€.
10:24
I think in some parts of America, a British accent is less common.
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미ꡭ의 일뢀 μ§€μ—­μ—μ„œλŠ” 영ꡭ 얡양이 덜 일반적이라고 μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:30
So as a result, I do have to slow things down a bit, just so they can pick up on certain
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·Έ κ²°κ³Ό 그듀이 νŠΉμ • 단어λ₯Ό μ•Œμ•„λ“€μ„ 수 μžˆλ„λ‘ μž‘μ—… 속도λ₯Ό μ•½κ°„ λŠ¦μΆ°μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€
10:38
words.
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10:39
"Numbers" is an interesting one.
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"숫자"λŠ” ν₯미둜운 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:41
Okay.
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μ’‹μ•„μš”.
10:42
So if I say the number 14, I have to say "fourteen one four".
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ œκ°€ 숫자 14λ₯Ό λ§ν•˜λ©΄ "fourteen one four"라고 말해야 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:47
I cannot just say, you know, "This costs $14,000."
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"14,000λ‹¬λŸ¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€."라고 κ·Έλƒ₯ 말할 μˆ˜λŠ” μ—†μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
10:52
I have to say, "This costs fourteen one four thousand dollars."
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"이건 1414,000λ‹¬λŸ¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€."
10:56
Why?
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μ™œ?
10:57
What do they think you're saying?
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그듀은 당신이 무엇을 λ§ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
10:58
Forty.
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사십.
10:59
Right.
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였λ₯Έμͺ½. μ•„μ‹œ
11:00
Because, you know, that's a small nuance to pick up in an unfamiliar accent for them.
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λ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, 그것은 κ·Έλ“€μ—κ²Œ μ΅μˆ™ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ€ μ–΅μ–‘μ—μ„œ μ•Œμ•„μ°¨λ¦΄ 수 μžˆλŠ” μž‘μ€ λ‰˜μ•™μŠ€μ΄κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:07
Not for all of Americans, there's 350 billion of them.
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미ꡭ인 전체가 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ 3,500μ–΅ λͺ…μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:10
So I cannot generalize everyone, but I'd say for some people, that's a challenge.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ„ μΌλ°˜ν™”ν•  μˆ˜λŠ” μ—†μ§€λ§Œ μ–΄λ–€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ—κ²ŒλŠ” 그것이 도전이라고 λ§ν•˜κ³  μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:19
And I think I don't want to expect them to have to pick up on that.
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그리고 λ‚˜λŠ” 그듀이 그것에 λŒ€ν•΄ 선택해야 ν•œλ‹€κ³  κΈ°λŒ€ν•˜κ³  싢지 μ•Šλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:25
If I understand and I know that that's challenging for some people, I want to make sure that
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λ‚΄κ°€ μ΄ν•΄ν•˜κ³  그것이 μ–΄λ–€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ—κ²ŒλŠ” μ–΄λ ΅λ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•ˆλ‹€λ©΄, λ‚˜λŠ” 그듀이 μ΄ν•΄ν•˜λ„λ‘ μΆ©λΆ„νžˆ μ„±μ‹€ν•˜κ²Œ ν–‰λ™ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€ ν™•μΈν•˜κ³  μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
11:30
I'm being conscientious enough to help them understand, because I'm trying to be a consultant
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11:38
to them as a business contact.
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11:40
So that's an important consideration.
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μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ³ λ € μ‚¬ν•­μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:44
And one of the things you had to do coming to Canada was to do this IELTS.
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그리고 μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ— μ™€μ„œ ν•΄μ•Ό ν•  일 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” 이 IELTSλ₯Ό ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:48
Yes.
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예.
11:49
Was that a surprise to you that you were going to have to do that?
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당신이 κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ ν•΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 것이 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ—κ²Œ λ†€λΌμš΄ μΌμ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ ?
11:52
It was a surprise initially.
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μ²˜μŒμ—λŠ” λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:54
I studied English in England.
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μ˜κ΅­μ—μ„œ μ˜μ–΄λ₯Ό κ³΅λΆ€ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
11:58
So it was a little bit surprising when I was told that as part of my application for permanent
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ—¬κΈ° μΊλ‚˜λ‹€ 영주ꢌ μ‹ μ²­μ˜ μΌν™˜μœΌλ‘œ
12:06
residency here in Canada, I was required to do the IELTS test.
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IELTS μ‹œν—˜μ„ μΉ˜λŸ¬μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 말을 λ“€μ—ˆμ„ λ•Œ 쑰금 λ†€λžμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:11
That being said, you know, it was an interesting experience.
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즉, ν₯미둜운 κ²½ν—˜μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:15
It was actually the first exam that I'd sat since I left university in 2009, so just sitting
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사싀 2009년에 λŒ€ν•™μ„ μ‘Έμ—…ν•˜κ³  처음 λ³΄λŠ” μ‹œν—˜μ΄μ—ˆκΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ—
12:21
an exam was quite an interesting experience.
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μ‹œν—˜μ„ λ³΄λŠ” κ²ƒλ§ŒμœΌλ‘œλ„ κ½€ ν₯미둜운 κ²½ν—˜μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
12:26
And you said to me earlier that you sort of aced top marks in the speaking, as no surprise
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그리고 당신은 이전에 당신이 λ§ν•˜κΈ°μ—μ„œ μΌμ’…μ˜ μ΅œκ³ μ μ„ λ°›μ•˜λ‹€κ³  λ§ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ†€λžκ²Œλ„
12:31
there, the listening, the reading, but the writing you found slightly difficult.
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λ“£κΈ°, 읽기, κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 당신이 μ•½κ°„ μ–΄λ ΅κ²Œ 찾은 μ“°κΈ°.
12:39
What do you think people might need to sort of be aware of?
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μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μ•Œμ•„μ•Ό ν•  것이 무엇이라고 μƒκ°ν•˜μ‹­λ‹ˆκΉŒ ?
12:42
Was it difficult to say?
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말이 μ–΄λ €μ› λ‚˜μš”? ν…ŒμŠ€νŠΈμ˜
12:45
I think the interesting part about the writing component of the test is you don't know the
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μž‘λ¬Έ ꡬ성 μš”μ†Œμ— λŒ€ν•œ ν₯미둜운 뢀뢄은 주어진 상황을 λͺ¨λ₯Έλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
12:52
situation that you're going to be given.
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12:58
I did some, not so much practice, but I watched some YouTube videos, just like this one.
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μ—°μŠ΅μ„ 많이 ν•˜μ§€λŠ” μ•Šμ•˜μ§€λ§Œ 이것과 같은 YouTube λ™μ˜μƒμ„ λͺ‡ 개 λ΄€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:06
I read up on experiences that other people had had when they were sitting the exam, looked
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λ‚˜λŠ” λ‹€λ₯Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ μ‹œν—˜μ„ λ³Ό λ•Œ κ²ͺμ—ˆλ˜ κ²½ν—˜μ„ 읽고
13:12
at some example questions.
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λͺ‡ 가지 μ˜ˆμ‹œ 문제λ₯Ό μ‚΄νŽ΄λ³΄μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ˜¨λΌμΈμ—μ„œ
13:13
I even found some example tests online.
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λͺ‡ 가지 예제 ν…ŒμŠ€νŠΈλ₯Ό μ°Ύμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:18
But I think the writing component is quite situational, so they give you a unique situation
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ“°κΈ° ꡬ성 μš”μ†ŒλŠ” μƒλ‹Ήνžˆ 상황에 따라 λ‹¬λΌμ§€λ―€λ‘œ
13:26
that you need to replicate or to put yourself into.
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λ³΅μ œν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ μžμ‹ μ„ νˆ¬μž…ν•΄μ•Ό ν•˜λŠ” κ³ μœ ν•œ 상황을 μ œκ³΅ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
13:32
So I guess in that way, it was a challenge because it was a new scenario for me to try
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 그런 μ‹μœΌλ‘œ μ‹œλ„ν•˜κ³  μ–΄λŠ 정도 λ³΅μ œν•˜λŠ” 것이 μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ μ‹œλ‚˜λ¦¬μ˜€ μ˜€κΈ° λ•Œλ¬Έμ— λ„μ „μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
13:38
and replicate in some capacity.
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13:43
Do you think for students who are trying to improve their writing, what kind of things
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μž‘λ¬Έ μ‹€λ ₯을 ν–₯μƒμ‹œν‚€λ €λŠ” 학생듀을 μœ„ν•΄ μ–΄λ–€ 쑰치λ₯Ό
13:47
do you think they should do?
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μ·¨ν•΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜μ‹­λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
13:49
Is it about building their vocab, or what would you say?
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κ·Έλ“€μ˜ μ–΄νœ˜λ₯Ό κ΅¬μΆ•ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ, μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ 뭐라고 λ§ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
13:54
So I think for the writing part, writing is almost becoming a lost art.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” κΈ€μ“°κΈ° λΆ€λΆ„μ—μ„œ κΈ€μ“°κΈ°λŠ” 거의 μžƒμ–΄λ²„λ¦° 예술이 되고 μžˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:01
I mean, the scenario that I was given was primarily around letter writing, and it's
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제 말은, 제게 주어진 μ‹œλ‚˜λ¦¬μ˜€λŠ” 주둜 νŽΈμ§€ 쓰기에 κ΄€ν•œ κ²ƒμ΄μ—ˆκ³ 
14:07
very rare, I mean, for me personally, but I think for a lot of people, to write a letter.
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κ°œμΈμ μœΌλ‘œλŠ” 맀우 λ“œλ¬Όμ§€λ§Œ λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό μ“΄λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:13
You know, if I write a formal letter to someone, I have to Google the format of it.
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λ‚΄κ°€ λˆ„κ΅°κ°€μ—κ²Œ 곡식적인 νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό μ“΄λ‹€λ©΄ Googleμ—μ„œ κ·Έ ν˜•μ‹μ„ μ°Ύμ•„μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:20
Where do I put the date?
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λ‚ μ§œλŠ” 어디에 μž…λ ₯ν•˜λ‚˜μš”?
14:21
Do I say, "Yours faithfully," or, "Yours sincerely," or, you know, things like this
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λ‚΄κ°€ "λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μ§„μ‹¬μœΌλ‘œ"라고 λ§ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ, μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄ "λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μ§„μ‹¬μœΌλ‘œ"라고 λ§ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ, μ•„λ‹ˆλ©΄
14:26
that I, even as an English graduate, I don't know.
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μ˜μ–΄ μ‘Έμ—…μƒμœΌλ‘œμ„œμ‘°μ°¨ μ•Œμ§€ λͺ»ν•˜λŠ” 이와 같은 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:30
So I think practicing things like that, I guess, if you find yourself in situations
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” 그런 μ—°μŠ΅μ„ ν•˜λŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
14:37
in real life where there's an opportunity to write a letter versus send an email, you
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μ‹€μƒν™œμ—μ„œ νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό μ“Έ κΈ°νšŒμ™€ 이메일을 보낼 κΈ°νšŒκ°€ μžˆλŠ” 상황에 μ²˜ν•˜κ²Œ λœλ‹€λ©΄
14:42
know, even just practice it, throw it in the trash, and then write an email is...
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κ·Έλƒ₯ μ—°μŠ΅ν•˜κ³  μ“°λ ˆκΈ°ν†΅μ— 버린 λ‹€μŒ νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό μ“°μ„Έμš”. 이메일은...
14:47
I mean, one of the problems about the computer is you can always rely on Google Translate
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λ‚΄ 말은, μ»΄ν“¨ν„°μ˜ 문제 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” 당신이 당신을 λΆ„λ₯˜ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ 항상 Google λ²ˆμ—­μ— μ˜μ‘΄ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:51
to sort you out, whereas if you're doing it kind of by hand, then you're hopefully using
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14:56
a dictionary if you need one rather than a computer.
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μ»΄ν“¨ν„°λ³΄λ‹€λŠ” 컴퓨터가 ν•„μš”ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
14:59
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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그래, 그래, μ •ν™•νžˆ.
15:01
You know, a handwritten letter is a beautiful thing, but it's not so much a common thing
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό, μ†μœΌλ‘œ μ“΄ νŽΈμ§€λŠ” μ•„λ¦„λ‹€μš΄ κ²ƒμ΄μ§€λ§Œ 더 이상 ν”ν•œ 것이 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€
15:07
anymore.
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15:08
So, it sounds like this one job has, you know, kind of launched you, you've come out here,
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 이 직업 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ 당신을 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜κ²Œ ν•œ 것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 당신은 μ—¬κΈ°λ‘œ λ‚˜μ™”κ³ 
15:14
you're having this exciting life out here in Canada, so I guess the lesson to learn
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μ—¬κΈ° μΊλ‚˜λ‹€μ—μ„œ 이 ν₯미둜운 삢을 μ‚΄κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ 배울 κ΅ν›ˆμ€
15:20
from that is, well, A, to stick with a good job when you have one, but also to make the
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A, 쒋은 직업이 있으면 계속 μœ μ§€ν•˜κ³ 
15:25
most of opportunities when they come your way.
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κΈ°νšŒκ°€ 왔을 λ•Œ μ΅œλŒ€ν•œ ν™œμš©ν•˜λŠ” 것.
15:28
Yeah, I think...
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λ„€, 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ”...
15:31
So for this position, when I was very young, I watched a lot of American movies and had
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μ œκ°€ μ•„μ£Ό 어렸을 λ•Œ 이 직책을 μœ„ν•΄ μ €λŠ” λ―Έκ΅­ μ˜ν™”λ₯Ό 많이 λ³΄μ•˜κ³ 
15:39
the American dream, so to speak.
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λ§ν•˜μžλ©΄ 아메리칸 λ“œλ¦Όμ„ κ°€μ‘ŒμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
15:44
Our company had been...
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우리 νšŒμ‚¬λŠ”...
15:46
We've had a small number of US customers for quite a long time now, actually over a decade,
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κ½€ μ˜€λž«λ™μ•ˆ, μ‹€μ œλ‘œλŠ” 10년이 λ„˜λŠ” μ‹œκ°„ λ™μ•ˆ μ†Œμˆ˜μ˜ λ―Έκ΅­ 고객을 λ³΄μœ ν•˜κ³  μžˆμ—ˆμ§€λ§Œ
15:54
but there had long been a desire to really put roots in North America, put people here,
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뢁미에 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ 뿌리λ₯Ό 내리고 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ 이곳에 λ°°μΉ˜ν•˜κ³ 
16:00
put sales people here, put marketing people here, put project management people here.
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판맀λ₯Ό μ΄‰μ§„ν•˜λ €λŠ” 열망이 μ˜€λž«λ™μ•ˆ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 여기에 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ λ°°μΉ˜ν•˜κ³  여기에 λ§ˆμΌ€νŒ… λ‹΄λ‹Ήμžλ₯Ό λ°°μΉ˜ν•˜κ³  여기에 ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈ 관리 λ‹΄λ‹Ήμžλ₯Ό λ°°μΉ˜ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:07
And I knew that I worked for a business that wanted to do that, and I knew that I loved
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그리고 λ‚˜λŠ” 그것을 ν•˜κ³  μ‹Άμ–΄ν•˜λŠ” μ‚¬μ—…μ²΄μ—μ„œ μΌν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œμ•˜κ³ ,
16:15
the America that I saw in the movies.
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μ˜ν™”μ—μ„œ λ³Έ 미ꡭ을 μ‚¬λž‘ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:17
So there is a British culture, as you'll probably know, of going down the pub on a Friday after
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ•„λ§ˆ μ•„μ‹œκ² μ§€λ§Œ κΈˆμš”μΌ 퇴근 ν›„
16:23
work with all the staff and with your boss and sometimes even your boss's boss.
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λͺ¨λ“  직원과 상사, λ•Œλ‘œλŠ” μƒμ‚¬μ˜ 상사와 ν•¨κ»˜ μˆ μ§‘μ— κ°€λŠ” 영ꡭ λ¬Έν™”κ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
16:29
That's always a good opportunity, or certainly was in my eyes, to wait until someone's had
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λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ λ§₯μ£Ό λͺ‡ μž”μ„ λ§ˆμ‹€ λ•ŒκΉŒμ§€ κΈ°λ‹€λ Έλ‹€κ°€ νŠΉμ • 결정을 내리도둝 κ²©λ €ν•˜λŠ” 것은 항상 쒋은 κΈ°νšŒμ΄κ±°λ‚˜ 제 λˆˆμ—λŠ” λΆ„λͺ…ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
16:34
a couple of beers and then try and encourage them towards a certain decision.
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16:44
So I worked under a guy who was a sales director for the business at the time, and I would
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ λ‹Ήμ‹œ μ‚¬μ—…μ˜ μ˜μ—… μ΄μ‚¬μ˜€λ˜ μ‚¬λžŒ λ°‘μ—μ„œ μΌν–ˆκ³ 
16:52
go down the pub every Friday and I would prod him and I would say, "Send me to America.
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맀주 κΈˆμš”μΌλ§ˆλ‹€ μˆ μ§‘μ— κ°€μ„œ κ·Έλ₯Ό 찌λ₯΄λ©° "μ €λ₯Ό 미ꡭ으둜 λ³΄λ‚΄μ£Όμ„Έμš”.
16:58
Send me to..." and he'd go, "No, can't wait."
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μ €λ₯Ό...둜 λ³΄λ‚΄μ£Όμ„Έμš”." "μ•„λ‹ˆ, 기닀릴 수 μ—†μ–΄."
17:01
But I did it again the next Friday, I'd be, "Hey, send me to America."
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‹€μŒ μ£Ό κΈˆμš”μΌμ— λ‹€μ‹œ ν–ˆμ–΄μš”. "이봐, λ‚˜λ₯Ό 미ꡭ으둜 λ³΄λ‚΄μ€˜."
17:04
And I did this for six months.
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그리고 μ €λŠ” 이것을 6κ°œμ›” λ™μ•ˆ ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:07
And one day I got a phone call on a Saturday morning in my bedroom in Brighton, I got a
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그러던 μ–΄λŠ λ‚  ν† μš”μΌ 아침에 λΈŒλΌμ΄νŠΌμ— μžˆλŠ” 제 μΉ¨μ‹€μ—μ„œ μ „ν™”λ₯Ό λ°›μ•˜μ–΄μš”.
17:13
phone call from that guy and he said, "I can't get you to America, but I can get you pretty
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κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ—κ²Œμ„œ μ „ν™”κ°€ μ™”μ–΄μš”
17:18
close.
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17:19
I can get you to Canada."
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μΊλ‚˜λ‹€λ‘œ 데렀닀 μ£Όμ„Έμš”."
17:20
Amazing.
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λ†€λΌμš΄.
17:22
So I think it was, I mean, I guess the lesson I took from that that I've taken into later
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ”, 제 말은, 제 말은, 제 말은, 제 말은, 제 말은, 제 말은 μ œκ°€ λ‚˜μ€‘μ—
17:30
life is, if there's something you want, you just got to keep running at it, almost to
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삢에 λŒ€ν•΄ 얻은 κ΅ν›ˆμ€, μ›ν•˜λŠ” 것이 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ , 그것을 ν–₯ν•΄ 계속 달렀가야 ν•œλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:36
the point where you were a pest, until you can really push that through.
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ν•΄μΆ©, 정말 밀어뢙일 수 μžˆμ„ λ•ŒκΉŒμ§€.
17:43
This was a big dream for me, it's taught me a lot as a sales professional, as an individual
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이것은 제게 큰 κΏˆμ΄μ—ˆκ³ , μ˜μ—… μ „λ¬Έκ°€λ‘œμ„œ, 개인
17:50
as well.
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μœΌλ‘œμ„œλ„ λ§Žμ€ 것을 κ°€λ₯΄μ³ μ£Όμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
17:51
So, yeah, that's...
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λ„€, 그건...
17:53
But I think you've done it in an intelligent way, like a lot of people sort of pack their
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 제 생각에 당신은 ν˜„λͺ…ν•œ λ°©μ‹μœΌλ‘œ ν•΄λ‚Έ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”. λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 가방을 μ‹Έμ„œ
17:56
bags and run off to places without kind of good plans in place, like you kind of were
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쒋은 κ³„νšλ„ 없이 μ–΄λ”˜κ°€λ‘œ λ„λ§κ°€λŠ” κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌ 말이죠.
18:00
very persistent, you knew that you kind of had to have a support mechanism behind you
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끈질기게, 당신은 λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ λ―Έκ΅­ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλ₯Ό 지속 κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ ν˜„μ‹€λ‘œ λ§Œλ“€κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ λ‹Ήμ‹  뒀에 지원 λ©”μ»€λ‹ˆμ¦˜μ΄ μžˆμ–΄μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
18:05
to make your American project a sustainable reality.
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18:11
So it sounds like you've done really well.
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 정말 잘 ν•˜μ‹  것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:13
It's been fun, it's been a good journey.
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즐거웠어, 쒋은 μ—¬ν–‰μ΄μ—ˆμ–΄.
18:16
One last question, so you still go back to the UK and a place, well, a thing close to
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λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰ μ§ˆλ¬Έμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·Έλž˜μ„œ 당신은 μ—¬μ „νžˆ 영ꡭ과 μž₯μ†Œλ‘œ λŒμ•„κ°€κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 음, λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ λ§ˆμŒμ— κ°€κΉŒμš΄ 것은
18:22
your heart is your football team, which is the Hammers.
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λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ μΆ•κ΅¬νŒ€μΈ ν•΄λ¨ΈμŠ€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:27
Yes, West Ham United, yeah.
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예, μ›¨μŠ€νŠΈν–„ μœ λ‚˜μ΄ν‹°λ“œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:30
I...
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λ‚˜...
18:31
Well, my dad's side of my family are from East London, he's a big West Ham United fan,
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음, 우리 아버지 μͺ½ 가쑱은 이슀트 런던 μΆœμ‹ μ΄κ³ , μ•„λ²„μ§€λŠ” μ›¨μŠ€νŠΈ ν–„ μœ λ‚˜μ΄ν‹°λ“œμ˜ μ—΄λ ¬ν•œ νŒ¬μ΄μ–΄μ„œ,
18:39
so he used to take me to games when I was, you know, this big.
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λ‚΄κ°€ 이만큼 컸을 λ•Œ λ‚˜λ₯Ό 경기에 데렀가곀 ν–ˆμ–΄ .
18:44
It's been a long and suffering journey as a West Ham fan.
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μ›¨μŠ€νŠΈν–„ νŒ¬μœΌλ‘œμ„œ κΈΈκ³  κ³ ν†΅μŠ€λŸ¬μš΄ μ—¬μ •μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:50
They have a reputation as being sometimes a little aggressive.
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그듀은 λ•Œλ•Œλ‘œ μ•½κ°„ κ³΅κ²©μ μ΄λΌλŠ” ν‰νŒμ„ 가지고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
18:55
They do.
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κ·Έλ“€μ΄ν•˜λ‹€.
18:57
That goes long back to the 1980s of, you know, some of the worst times in English football
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그것은 1980λ…„λŒ€λ‘œ 거슬러 μ˜¬λΌκ°‘λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό 영ꡭ μΆ•κ΅¬μ—μ„œ 폭λ ₯으둜 인해 μ΅œμ•…μ˜ μ‹œκΈ°μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
19:05
for violence.
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.
19:07
It's a much more mature club than that these days.
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μš”μ¦˜μ€ 그것보닀 훨씬 μ„±μˆ™ν•œ ν΄λŸ½μ΄λ‹€.
19:11
Unfortunately, the football hasn't got much better.
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λΆˆν–‰νžˆλ„ μΆ•κ΅¬λŠ” 그닀지 λ‚˜μ•„μ§€μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:15
The violence has vastly improved and lessened, but the football hasn't improved at the same
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폭λ ₯은 크게 κ°œμ„ λ˜κ³  μ€„μ–΄λ“€μ—ˆμ§€λ§Œ μΆ•κ΅¬λŠ” λ™μ‹œμ— κ°œμ„ λ˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
19:20
time.
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.
19:21
Prediction for the end of the season?
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μ‹œμ¦Œ μ’…λ£Œ 예고?
19:22
Mid-table.
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쀑간 ν…Œμ΄λΈ”.
19:23
Right.
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였λ₯Έμͺ½.
19:24
Yeah.
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응.
19:25
I'd be fairly happy with anything between 7th and 10th, but to be honest, I'd just like
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λ‚˜λŠ” 7μΌμ—μ„œ 10일 μ‚¬μ΄μ˜ μ–΄λŠ 것이든 μƒλ‹Ήνžˆ λ§Œμ‘±ν•  κ²ƒμ΄μ§€λ§Œ, μ†”μ§νžˆ λ§ν•΄μ„œ
19:32
to watch a game on television without wanting to cry at the end of it right now.
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μ§€κΈˆ λ‹Ήμž₯은 κ²½κΈ°κ°€ 끝날 λ•Œ 울고 싢지 μ•Šκ³  ν…”λ ˆλΉ„μ „μ—μ„œ κ²½κΈ°λ₯Ό 보고 μ‹ΆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:38
That's all I ask for.
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그게 λ‚΄κ°€ μš”κ΅¬ν•˜λŠ” μ „λΆ€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:39
Well, I'm sure that's not the reaction our viewers are going to have at the end of this
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음, 이 λΉ„λ””μ˜€κ°€ 끝날 λ•Œ μ‹œμ²­μžκ°€ κ°€μ§ˆ λ°˜μ‘μ€ 아닐 것이라고 ν™•μ‹ ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€
19:42
video.
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. Rich, λ‹Ήμ‹ 
19:43
It's been absolutely fascinating to hear from you, Rich, and really, really generous of
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의 이야기λ₯Ό λ“£λŠ” 것은 정말 ν₯λ―Έλ‘œμ› κ³ ,
19:48
you to come out and share all your experience and, you know, worldly wisdom with the guys
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당신이 λ‚˜μ™€μ„œ λ‹Ήμ‹ μ˜ λͺ¨λ“  κ²½ν—˜ κ³Ό 세속적인 μ§€ν˜œλ₯Ό 고ꡭ에 μžˆλŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€κ³Ό κ³΅μœ ν•˜λŠ” 것은 정말 정말 κ΄€λŒ€ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
19:54
back home.
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19:55
So, big thank you to Rich.
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Richμ—κ²Œ 큰 감사λ₯Ό λ“œλ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
19:58
Yeah?
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응?
19:59
Cheers.
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건배.
20:00
Thanks for having me.
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μ΄ˆλŒ€ν•΄μ£Όμ…”μ„œ κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
20:01
I hope you enjoy the rest of your night.
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남은 λ°€ 잘 λ³΄λ‚΄μ‹œκΈΈ λ°”λžλ‹ˆλ‹€.
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