English Rewind - Weekender: management speak

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BBC Learning English


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello, Catherine here from BBC Learning English.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, BBC Learning English์˜ Catherine์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:04
Just so you know, this programme is from the BBC Learning English archive.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์€ BBC Learning English ์•„์นด์ด๋ธŒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:09
It was originally broadcast in November 2006 on our website.
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์›๋ž˜ 2006๋…„ 11์›”์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ฐฉ์†ก๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:15
Enjoy!
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์ฆ๊ธฐ๋‹ค!
00:18
BBC Learning English dot com.
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BBC ํ•™์Šต ์˜์–ด ๋‹ท์ปด.
00:23
Hello, I'm Callum Robertson and this is Weekender.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ €๋Š” Callum Robertson ์ด๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” Weekender์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
'Blue-sky thinking', 'getting your ducks in a row',
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'ํ‘ธ๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋Š˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ', '์ˆœ์„œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ฝ๊ธฐ', '
00:31
'thinking out of the box' and 'reading from the same page'.
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ํ‹€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ', '๊ฐ™์€ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์—์„œ ์ฝ๊ธฐ'.
00:35
Well, what are these strange phrases?
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ์ด ์ด์ƒํ•œ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
00:37
Well, they are metaphorical expressions for the workplace,
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง์žฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์€์œ ์  ํ‘œํ˜„ , ์ฆ‰
00:41
a kind of language that is described as 'management speak'.
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'๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ๋ง'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ‘œํ˜„๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๋‹ค.
00:46
'Management speak' โ€” the way that managers talk to the employees
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'๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„ ์—ฐ์„ค' โ€” ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ง์›๋“ค์„
00:51
when they want to encourage them and make them work harder.
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๊ฒฉ๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋•Œ ์ง์›๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:55
If your boss said to you "We all have to get our ducks in a row!"
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ "์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์—ฐ์†ํ•ด์„œ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์–ป์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๋ง์ด
01:00
would you know what was meant
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ
01:01
and how would you feel about your boss for saying it?
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์ƒ์‚ฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?
01:05
I'd probably think the boss is insane or maybe temporarily unwell.
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์•„๋งˆ ์‚ฌ์žฅ๋‹˜์ด ์ •์‹ ์ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ” ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ผ์‹œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชธ์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹์œผ์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
01:09
I wouldn't understand what he was talking about at all.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค .
01:12
Well, that's one opinion and it's not an uncommon one.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ ์ด๊ณ  ๋“œ๋ฌธ ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:15
Nicola Clark has commissioned a report on communication in the workplace
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Nicola Clark์€ ์ง์žฅ ๋‚ด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ๋ฅผ ์˜๋ขฐํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
01:20
and she believes managers have to think carefully
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๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๋“ค์ด
01:23
about how they express themselves.
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์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:26
She calls management speak 'jargon'.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์ด '์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:29
This is a word for the special vocabulary and language
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์ด๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์ง์—… ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์ž์ฃผ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ํŠน์ˆ˜ ์–ดํœ˜ ๋ฐ ์–ธ์–ด์ธ
01:33
often used within a particular type of job โ€” 'jargon'.
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'์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด'๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:37
Jargon isn't always bad, she says, but what does she think is very important?
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
01:43
It's fine to use jargon when it's considered shorthand
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์•ฝ์–ด๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜๊ณ  ํ•ด๋‹น ํ™˜๊ฒฝ
01:45
and when everybody that's within that environment understands it.
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์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ๋•Œ ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€
01:49
If they don't, they just need to really carefully think about they're saying.
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์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
Communication is so important.
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์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:55
She says that communication is so important.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
Jargon, she says, is ok if everyone understands it.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ดํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
Using jargon can be an effective form of shorthand,
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์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ์†๊ธฐ ํ˜•ํƒœ, ์ฆ‰ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ
02:08
a way of saying a lot in a simple sentence.
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:12
Indeed, every profession has its own jargon,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง์—…์—๋Š” ๊ณ ์œ ํ•œ ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
02:15
but it's only useful if everyone understands it.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋งŒ ์œ ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:19
However, even if everyone understands it,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ดํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
02:22
that doesn't mean they like it being used, as these office workers comment.
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์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:26
I think the less management speak, the better.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ๋ง์ด ์ ์„์ˆ˜๋ก ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:29
It can just cause confusion
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์ด๋Š” ํ˜ผ๋ž€์„ ์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜
02:31
and quite often it's just a way of the boss showing off new management terms
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ƒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ต์œก ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝ์˜ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณผ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:35
that they've learnt on some expensive course.
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02:38
I think it's a real shame that managers rely on such clichรฉs
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๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๋“ค์ด ์ง์›๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํˆฌ์ ์ธ ํ‘œํ˜„์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:42
when they're communicating with their staff, because it's really patronising.
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. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์• ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:45
Those employees weren't fans of management speak.
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๊ทธ ์ง์›๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ํŒฌ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
They both thought it made their bosses look bad.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ƒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜์˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๊ฒŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:52
The second speaker called the expressions 'clichรฉs',
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ™”์ž๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์„ 'clichรฉs', '
02:56
'Clichรฉs' โ€” expressions which are used too much and aren't original.
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Clichรฉs'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ‘œํ˜„์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋ฉฐ ๋…์ฐฝ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:02
He also thought using them was 'patronising'.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด 'ํ›„์›'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
'Patronising' โ€” treating the people you are talking to as stupid and unimportant.
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'ํ›„์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ' โ€” ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ฉ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
BBC Learning English dot com.
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BBC ํ•™์Šต ์˜์–ด ๋‹ท์ปด.
03:15
But what about managers themselves? How do they feel about this type of language?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž ์ž์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:21
I spoke to Andrew Thompson, one of the managers at the BBC.
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๋‚˜๋Š” BBC์˜ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ธ Andrew Thompson๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:25
What do you think is his attitude to this kind of language?
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ทธ์˜ ํƒœ๋„๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€?
03:29
I asked him if he hears or even uses phrases
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ
03:33
such as 'blue sky thinking' and 'thinking outside the box.'
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'ํ‘ธ๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋Š˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ', 'ํ‹€ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ'์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
Yes, I hear them quite a lot, I hear them in meetings, colleagues use them,
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์˜ˆ, ๊ฝค ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํšŒ์˜์—์„œ ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:41
I have possibly, although I'd like to say I haven't, I've used them a few times.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
There are always new phrases and some of them actually say something
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ 
03:51
and are useful and people use them and they come into the language
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์œ ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋ฉฐ
03:56
and that happens in management as I'm sure it happens in all sorts of other areas.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฒฝ์˜์—์„œ๋„ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:01
So, you know, of the ones you mentioned, 'thinking outside the box',
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ 'ํ‹€ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ'๋Š”
04:06
it does mean something.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:08
I think it's terribly over-used,
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚จ์šฉ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ,
04:10
but, you know, meaning 'innovative thinking; non-conventional thinking'.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ 'ํ˜์‹ ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ; ํ‹€์— ๋ฐ•ํžŒ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'.
04:16
I can recognise that and, as an expression,
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ํ‘œํ˜„์œผ๋กœ์„œ
04:19
it's a quick way of saying something.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋น ๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:21
So, I'm not saying all management speak is terrible,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์˜ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์ด ํ˜•ํŽธ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:25
I'm just a bit sceptical about some of the phrases that come up.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํšŒ์˜์ ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:28
Well, Andrew isn't completely against management speak.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, Andrew๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—ฐ์„ค์„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
04:32
He says sometimes it can be a quick way of saying something,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋น ๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
04:37
it can express an idea simply.
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:40
But he does say some expressions are used too much
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
04:44
and there are some phrases he is 'sceptical' about.
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด 'ํšŒ์˜์ '์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:47
'Sceptical' โ€” he's not sure if they are actually very useful.
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'ํšŒ์˜์ ' โ€” ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ์šฉํ•œ์ง€ ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
I went on to ask him if there were any particular phrases that he didn't like.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
04:57
Which one does he mention?
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
04:58
I've taken an intense dislike to 'driving things forward'.
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๋‚˜๋Š” '์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ'์„ ๊ทน๋„๋กœ ์‹ซ์–ดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:03
And this is from an organisation where one of our own departments,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ถ€์„œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ
05:08
our finance department, if I can name and shame them,
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์žฌ๋ฌด ๋ถ€์„œ๊ฐ€
05:11
have a slogan which is 'Driving Finance Forward' which, in my humble opinion,
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'์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๊ธˆ์œต์„ ์ถ”์ง„ํ•˜๋ผ '๋Š” ์Šฌ๋กœ๊ฑด์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์กฐ์ง์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ œ ์†Œ๊ฒฌ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
05:16
is not terribly meaningful.
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:19
It just sounds vaguely positive, so what does it really mean?
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๋ง‰์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:23
So, Andrew has strong dislike of the phrase 'driving things forward',
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Andrew๋Š” '์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋‹ค'๋ผ๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:29
which, he says sounds a little positive, but has no real meaning,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ํ‘œํ˜„์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ
05:34
and I suppose this is the main complaint with a lot of management speak.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์˜์ง„์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ์š” ๋ถˆ๋งŒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
05:39
It's not clear.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„.
05:41
Finally, I asked Andrew if he could explain
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋Š” Andrew์—๊ฒŒ
05:44
the strange management speak expression we had at the beginning,
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—
05:47
to 'keep all our ducks in a row'.
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'keep all our ducks in a row'๋ผ๋Š” ์ด์ƒํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์˜ ์—ฐ์„ค ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:50
Yes, we need to get organised, we need to get ready, we need to be prepared,
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์˜ˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฒด๊ณ„ํ™”ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:54
and so, arguably, why not say, "We need to be prepared,"
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ "์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ค€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
05:58
or, "We need to be ready for the next thing we have to do"?
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๋˜๋Š” "๋‹ค์Œ ์ผ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ค€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”? ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• "?
06:02
I'm not terribly against 'getting our ducks in a row',
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๋‚˜๋Š” '์˜ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ผ๋ ฌ๋กœ ์„ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ'์— ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
06:06
but I wonder how much it adds?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:09
BBC Learning English dot com.
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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