How to Bridge Political Divides, from Two Friends on Opposing Sides | Samar Ali & Clint Brewer | TED

譯者: Wenjer Leuschel 審譯者: Shelley Tsang 曾雯海

Cloe Shasha Brooks: So we are here to talk about

主持人: 今天我們要來談談

the growing crisis of polarization and the decline of pluralism,

日益嚴重的兩極化危機以及 多元主義的勢微

both in the United States and around the world,

在美國和全世界的狀況及我們集體 能如何處理這些問題

and what we might be able to do about it collectively, to address it.

So your friendship and working relationship

你們的友誼和工作關係

are actually a very cool model for this.

在這方面其實是非常酷的模範

You two come from very different backgrounds,

你們兩位的背景非常不同

and you met 10 years ago

十年前在田納西州州長 旗下工作時認識彼此

when you were both working for the governor of Tennessee.

That time as colleagues kicked off your frenemy-ship --

當時身為同事的你們展開了 你們的敵友關係——

your words, not mine --

這是你們 不是我說的——

stemming from the reality that many of your beliefs are not shared.

因為事實上你們的許多信念都不同

You've had periods of time

曾經有些時候 你們在爭論後 會幾個月不和彼此接觸

when your arguments led to no contact between you for months

and other times when you've supported each other on a daily basis.

其他時候 你們每天 都扮演彼此的後質

But despite all of these ups and downs,

但儘管有這些起起伏伏 你們 不只是在友誼上 總是會合好的

you've consistently come back together not only in your friendship,

在合作夥伴關係上 亦是如此

but also as working collaborators,

to figure out a way to build a more pluralistic society

繼續共同努力想辦法 建立更多元化的社會

and reduce societal polarization.

及減少社會的兩極化

So let's start with some context on your backgrounds.

讓我們從兩位的一些背景資訊談起

Samar, would you like to start?

薩瑪爾 由你開始好嗎？

Samar Ali: Yes, thank you, Cloe, and hello everyone.

薩:好的，謝謝克洛伊，大家好

I grew up in a small southern town called Waverly, Tennessee,

我在田納西州南部的 小鎮韋弗利長大

which is, I kid you not, the real-life version of "Schitt's Creek."

該鎮根本就是真實版的《富家窮路》 我沒開玩笑的

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And it puts the country in country.

那是個非常鄉下的鄉下 是田納西州的鄉下小鎮

And it's a rural town in Tennessee.

And my nickname growing up was Babette,

我小時候的綽號是巴貝特

which is the female version of the word Bubba.

是把南方人講的老兄 這個詞改為的女版

Clint Brewer: Which is your new permanent nickname.

克林特‧布魯爾:那就是 你新的永久綽號了

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

SA: Thanks, Clint.

薩:谢謝克林特。

Growing up in this small southern town as a practicing Muslim-American

以虔誠的穆斯林美國人身分 在這個南方小鎮長大

daughter of Palestinian and Syrian immigrant doctors

父母又是巴勒斯坦 和敘利亞移民醫生

is really what made me decide to become a peacemaker.

這個背景讓我決定成為和平推動者

Now, many people think that my identity is a walking contradiction

許多人認為我的身分 本身就是活生生的矛盾

and in some instances, a controversy.

有些情況下還是一種爭議

But I found peace with it and from within.

但我找到了內心的平靜 能和它和平相處

And this is key as a peacemaker,

而這是扮演和平推動者的關鍵 你得先從找到內在的平靜做起

you have to first start with finding peace within.

And I had a lot of practice on this because from the age of three years old,

這方面我有很多練習的機會 因為打從三歲起

I was going back and forth from America's heartland

我在美國的心臟地帶 和世界的聖地之間來回穿梭

to the world’s Holy Land.

And one of the things I remember thinking all the time was:

我記得我總是在想的一件事情是 需要什麼代價

what would it take for there to be peace between Israelis and Palestinians?

才能讓以色列人和巴勒斯坦人 和平相處？

And to my surprise,

讓我驚訝的是 同樣這個問題 現在 在美國 也被提出來了

that same question is now being asked here in the United States.

What will it take for us to have peace here in America?

需要什麼代價 我們在美國 才能擁有和平？

CSB: Thank you, Samar.

主持人: 謝謝薩瑪 那麽克林特你呢？

And how about you, Clint?

CB: So I grew up in and around a city called Knoxville, Tennessee.

克: 我在田納西州諾克斯維爾 這個城市及其周圍地區長大

It's in east Tennessee.

那是在田納西州東部 在阿帕拉契 山區的山麓小丘上

It's in the foothills, just in Appalachia,

right outside of Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

就在大蠌煙山國家公園外面

And my dad was a small-town bank president,

我父親是小鎮的銀行總裁

and I lived kind of a dual life, a little dual existence.

我過著一種雙重生活 有種雙重存在感

You know, I would come home to a very small place where we lived,

我回到家 我們住的地方很小

where we went to church.

我們會去那裡的教堂

But then during the week, Monday through Friday,

但在平日 從星期一到星期五 我會通勤進城到諾克斯維爾

I would commute into Knoxville, into the city,

and go to a prep school there.

我讀的是那裡的預備學校

And at an early age, because of that school,

小時候 因為那所學校， 我發現我喜歡寫作

I learned that I loved to write,

and I spent my formative years writing for the student newspaper,

成長過程中 我都在 為校刊和文學雜誌寫作

writing for the literary magazine.

And, you know, that turned into going to the University of Tennessee

後來就演變成就讀 田納西大學上新聞系

and studying journalism

and then a 15-year career as a journalist.

接下來是十五年的記者職涯

And so what I really am, in essence, is a communicator.

因此 本質上 我真的是個溝通者

I'm somebody who, you know, loves to write for people

我是個喜歡為人寫作 也喜歡 和不同類型的人交談的人

and talk to a lot of different kinds of people.

I own a public-affairs firm in Nashville and practice there.

我在納什維爾 擁有一家 公共事務所並在那裡執業

You know, really, for me,

説真格的 對我來說

communication is something that can bridge divides between people.

溝通能夠彌合人與人之間的分歧

And that's what I try to do in my life and with my work.

這就是我在人生中和工作上 試著想做的事

CSB: Alright, well, so thank you both for that.

主持人: 好 謝謝兩位 但請再多談談這段敵友關係

But let's hear a little bit more about this frenemy-ship.

What's the deal?

它是怎麼回事？

SA: Alright, well, look at us.

薩: 嗯 看看我們 大家對我們會做很多假設

I mean, there's a lot of assumptions that people make about us.

And also, personality-wise, we're pretty hard-headed.

此外 在個性方面 我們都很精明實際

我們的個性都很強 我們都 總認為自己是對的

We have strong personalities.

We both think we're right all the time.

I am, he's working on it.

我是對的 他還在努力之中

And we've had different lived experiences.

而且我們有不同的生活經歷

We come about life sometimes differently, I would say.

我會說 有時我們 對生活的看法會有所不同

And also, he’s Republican, and I am not.

此外 他是共和黨的 我不是

CB: Yeah, and, you know, I mean, we're both very type-A personalities.

克: 是啊 而且我們 都是非常 A 型的個性

We come from different political circles,

我們來自不同的政治圈

we have different perspectives on how to solve things

我們對於如何解決事情有不同的觀點

and, you know, it leads to disagreements sometimes.

這有時會導致歧見

SA: Yeah, I mean, we've stopped talking at times even,

莎: 是啊 就像主持人說的 有時我們甚至會冷戰

as Chloe mentioned as well,

but we've come back together.

但是我們已復合了 這部分我們等下會多談一些

We're going to talk a little bit more about that.

主持人: 謝謝

CSB: Thank you.

Let's dive a bit deeper into this crisis of communication you both touched on.

讓我們深入了解 你們兩個提到的這個溝通危機

So how is this an obstacle to democracy?

那麼這怎麼會成為民主的障礙？

Well, the crisis of communication that we're talking about here

好吧 我們在這裡討論的溝通危機

is contributing to polarization.

正在促進了極化

Let me define polarization for a moment.

讓我先定義一會兒什麽是偏振極化

It means being divided and being placed into vehemently two opposing groups.

這意味著被分割 並被分裂為 兩個激烈相反的帬體

And think, for example, urban-rural, think rich-poor.

例如 想像城鄉 想像富貧的差異

In the United States, think Democrats and Republicans.

在美國 想想民主黨和共和黨人的不同

Pew research, for example, is showing us that over the past 30 years,

例如 Pew 的研究向我們顯 示 過去 30 年來與不同黨的差異

people who identify with different parties and have opposing views

並持有相反觀點的人

have very negative emotions and feelings

對屬於另一方的人

about the person that belongs to another party.

有非常負面的情緒和感受

It has doubled since 1994,

自 1994 年以來 它已增加了一倍

so for over the past 30 years.

因此在過去的 30 年中

And this is contributing to a trust deficit,

這正在導致了鄰居之間信任的缺陷

a trust deficit between neighbors, we're all feeling it,

信任的缺陷 我們都感覺到這一點

between neighbors, between family and friends,

在鄰居之間 家人和朋友之間

between citizens and democracy,

公民和民主之間

and between citizens and government as well.

以及公民和政府之間也是這樣的

And that is in part happening

這一部分是因為

because of an authorizing environment for hate and violence.

仇恨和暴力的授權環境發生了

And, for example,

例如 我們看到

we are seeing that 30 percent of Americans right now are OK with violence

目前有 30％ 的美國人 在某些情況下會接受暴力

in some circumstances as they find it justifiable.

因為他們認為這是合理的

And also people feel that our institutions and that our systems

人們也覺得我們的機構 我們的制度

and even our government is riddled with corruption and hypocrisy.

甚至我們的政府充滿腐敗和虛假

Yes, I just said the quiet part out loud.

是的 我只是大聲說了安靜的部分

So what is happening here and what is contributing to these,

那麼 這裡發生了什麼？是什麼加劇了

this demonization of each other that is tearing us apart

這種正在撕裂我們並且傷害我們的民主的

and hurting our democracy?

對彼此的妖魔化

I'm going to take you through that.

我正要帶您解決這個問題

We call it the “scare script.”

我們稱之為「恐懼劇本」

Everyone close your eyes for just a moment.

大家先閉上眼睛一會兒

And imagine someone in your community,

想像一下您社區中的某人

either in your neighborhood or your workplace or your school,

無論是在您的附近或您的工作場所

that person who has been demonized or who has demonized you.

或在學校裡 那個與您互相妖魔化的人

And I want you to hold that person's image in your mind

我希望你把那個人的形象留在你的心中

as I take you through the scare script and how this works.

當我帶您了解恐懼劇本 及其運作的方式

You can open your eyes or keep them closed, it's up to you.

您可以打開眼睛或閉上眼睛 悉聴尊便

Now, I don't want to demonize anyone that's real.

現在 我不想妖魔化任何真實的人

So I’m going to use “plaid people” for the purpose of demonstration today.

所以我今天將用「格子人」作為示範目的

So plaid people, here we go.

那麼我們现在開始用格子人了

This is how this works.

這就是這樣工作的

This is how the slippery slope and the downward spiral

這就是經由滑坡和向下螺旋轉動運作的方式

that turns into hate and violence works.

將某類型的格子人妖魔化的過程

It's demonization process.

因而將仇恨和暴力轉變為可以接受

It starts with labeling plaid people.

它是從被打上標記的某類型的格子人開始

“I don’t like plaid people.

「我不喜歡這類型的格子人

Plaid people are bad.”

這類型的格子人很糟糕。」

This pulses existing or creates animosity.

這種想法會激蕩或造成敵意

"Plaid people, they're really making me upset."

「這類型的格子人 他們真的 讓我火大」

And that animosity turns to blame.

而這種敵意漸漸就變成了責怪

“I’m blaming plaid people for the traffic.

「我開始怪罪某類格纹的人 破壞交通

They’re taking away our jobs.

他們會搶走我們的工作

Plaid people, they’re sucking our way of life away from us.”

那類的格子人正在吸走我們的生活風尙

Now that leads to fear.

於是這就導致恐懼

“I fear plaid people.

「我害怕那類的格子人

They’re coming after us.

他們要來破壞我們

They’re taking everything away.”

他們要把一切都帶走」

"I'm scared."

「我很害怕」

That leads to anger.

這就導致憤怒

"My life was better off before plaid people were in it.

「在那類的格子人進入之前 我的生活更好

They're taking away everything that I hold precious,

他們把我珍貴的 一切都拿走

that makes our community what it is supposed to be

這使我們的社區成為本應該是

and what we've always known it to be.

和我們一直認為是我們需要

We need to protect ourselves from plaid people."

保護自己免於受到那類格子人的侵害」

Next, "I hate plaid people."

接下來，「我痛恨那類的格子人」

They’re destroying our society.”

他們正在破壞我們的社會」

And in some instances, that leads to violence.

在某些情況下 這會導致暴力

"I need to take out plaid people before they take me out."

「我需要在他們找我的麻煩之前 先把那類的格子的人弄出去」

Now think about how that process works online.

現在想想這個過程如何在網陆上運作

It speeds up.

它加快了速度

And with the techniques of artificial intelligence,

借助人工智慧、

of disinformation,

錯誤訊息、演算法運作方式的技術

of how the algorithms are working, it's speeding up into a frenzy.

它的速度正在變得瘋狂地块

And it fuels the hate-industrial complex, which feeds off of this

而且它會增添燃料給仇恨產業的複合體 因為它從這種情況下添加給

as it works to destroy our democratic norms and principles.

致力於破壞我們的民主 規範和原則的養料

That is what is happening and who benefits from it?

這就是現在發生的事情 而能誰從中獲利呢？

Conflict profiteers benefit from it

衝突獲利者從中獲利

because they think that our democracy is for sale.

因為他們認為我們的民主是可以販賣的

And they love that framing of us versus them.

而且他們喜歡拿我們的與他們的架構相比

It works so well for them

我們的民主對他們來說非常有效

because it programs people into believing

因為我們的民主讓人們以為我們的框架

the us versus them frame about themselves

相對於他們的框架

which uses the oldest trick in the book: divide and conquer.

使用了書中最古老的技巧: 分而治之

And it is here where we have to remember almost nobody is immune.

我們必須記住 幾乎沒有人能够倖免

Almost everyone is a target.

幾乎每個人都是目標

Don't take the bait.

不要被釣上餌

CSB: Thank you for that, Samar.

主持人: 謝謝你 薩瑪爾

So this hate-industrial complex is alive and well.

所以這個仇恨工業綜合體活 得活得很好

What can we do to challenge it?

我們可以做什麼來挑戰它？

And how do we build a more pluralistic, pro-democracy society?

我們如何建立一個更多元主義的 社會？

SA: Well, I think we have to remember

蕯: 好吧，我想我們必須記住

what Todd Rose tells us about collective illusion.

托德·羅斯告訴我們關於集體幻覺的內容

And that is that people in groupthink,

這就是帬體思維中的人們

the group that they self-identify with,

他們自我認同的群體

they fear retribution if they question what the group is thinking.

如果他們質疑帬體的想法 就會擔心受到帬體的報復

And they also assume that the group is thinking sometimes

他們還假設小組有時正在思考

what the group might not be thinking.

他們可能沒有想到的事情

But the assumption is, "My group thinks this way,

但假設是「我的帬體這樣思考

therefore I must think this way,

因此我也必須這樣思考

otherwise I'm going to be outcast from the group."

否則我就會被帬體排斥」

This leads to two things.

這導致兩件事

One is people stop questioning each other

其一是人們停止互相質疑

and the group that they self-identify with,

並停止質疑他們自我認同的帬體

and two, people stop talking to each other.

二是人們停止互相交談

CB: You know, there are some folks who probably are surprised

隡: 你知道 有些人可能會感到驚訝

that we're up here together.

我們一起在這裡

There are folks back home that are surprised

在家裡有人很驚訝

that we work together all the time.

我們一直在一起工作

And you know, that could lead to folks distrusting us.

你知道 這可能會導致人們不信任我們

SA: And it has. CB: And it has.

隡: 也礭實有 克: 而且礭實有

It leads to folks, you know, casting us out of certain circles.

這會導致人們把我們推出某些圈子

It can lead to a lot of things.

它可以導致很多事情

But, you know, at the end of the day, we find ways to work around that.

但是 你知道 最終我們找到 解決這個問題的方法

SA: That's right, and we're better for it.

薩: 這是正確的 我們更好地做到這一點

Even though we don't see eye to eye,

儘管我們沒有對上眼

Clint helps strengthen what I'm thinking,

但克林特有助於強化我的想法

and it's because of our differences

因為我們的差異

that I think we find joy also in crossing boundaries,

我認為 我們在跨越界限中 也找到喜悅

and it makes us better.

這使我們變得更好

And that is pluralism.

這就是多元主義

CSB: I love that that is how you define pluralism.

主持人: 我喜歡 你這樣定義多元主義

I think it's such a good example.

我認為這是一個很好的例子

You know, one thing people might say

你知道 人們對

in response to this idea of a pluralistic society

這個多元化社會的想法 可能會說的 一件事是

is that it's an unrealistic expectation,

這是一種不切實際的期望

that it's a utopian vision we can never truly achieve.

這是我們永遠無法實現的 烏托邦願景

So, Clint, I'd love to hear your opinion.

因此 克林特 我很想聽聴你的意見

Do you feel that that's too visionary?

你覺得這是烏托 太遠之見嗎？

CB: Well, I'm a former journalist, so I'm not often asked to be optimistic.

克: 好吧 我是一名前記者 所以 不經常被要求保持樂觀

It [doesn’t] really come with the territory.

多元主義 [並不是] 真的 與領土一起來的

But here's what I see, OK?

但這是我看到的 好嗎？

So you know, there's been this concept for a long time in American politics

所以 你知道 在美國政治裡長久以来已經 有一個

about the “big middle.”

關於所謂的「大中間」的概念

It's a pretty simple concept,

這是一個非常簡單的概念

and that is that most of us don't live on the extremes of politics.

就是我們大多數人都不生活在政治的極端中 我們大多數人

Most of us are not to the far left, to the far right.

既不在極左也不在極右的両端裡

Most of us have pretty shared values

我們大多數人都有相當共同的價值觀

and a pretty common set of things that we all care about.

和一套很常見的我們都關心的東西

So if you accept that to be true,

因此 如果你接受 那是真的

sort of fast-forward and think about what is the current zeitgeist in this country.

就請快速前進 想想這個國家當前的時代精神是什麼

You know, it's really rejecting institutions,

你知道 當前的時代精神真的是 拒絕機構

which in a lot of ways is just rejecting authority.

這在很多方面只是拒絕權威

So think about all the things that Americans have rejected in the last,

那麼 想想看美國 人 在過去 10 年裡所有

what, 10 years?

拒絕的事情？我們

We've rejected free speech, we've rejected science,

拒絕了言論自由 我們拒絕了科學

we've rejected government, we've rejected media,

我們拒絕了政府 我們拒絕了媒體

we've rejected a lot of things.

我們還拒絕了很多事情

And so what would happen

因此，如果這種挑戰機構的意願，

if that willingness to challenge institutions,

例如 將目光轉向那些控制著我們

for example, turned an eye towards the monolithic tech companies

閱讀的所有內容並透過演算法向我們的手機

that sort of, control everything that we read

和平板電腦發送所有內容的

and that send us, through algorithms,

那些一成不變的科技公司

all the content that comes to our phones and our tablets?

那麽 還會發生什麼？

We started asking questions about that.

我們會開始訊問自己相關的問題！

What would happen if we started demanding of all of our leaders

如果我們開始要求我們的所有領導人

a little more common sense, a little more pragmatism?

多一點常識、多一點實用主義 那會發生什麼事？

What if we demanded more pragmatism

如果我們要求他們

and more focus from them

更加務實並且更加專注

instead of lapping up the red meat

而不只是舔舐紅肉

and, you know, listening to all the hot talk?

聽聽所有的熱門話題 結果會是怎麼樣呢？

I think there's potential in that.

我認為這裡有潛力

You know, globally, it's a different picture, I think.

你知道 在全球範圍內 我認為這是一個不同的情況

But people across the world have a lot of the same challenges that we have.

但世界各地的人們都面臨 與我們相同的挑戰

And so what does that take?

那麼這需要什麼？

It takes people really rejecting conflict entrepreneurs

人們需要真正拒絕衝突的企業家

and asking more of their political systems and their economic systems.

並對他們的政治體系和經濟體系 提出更多要求

CSB: So, OK, so if we want to live in this pluralistic world,

主持人: 所以 好吧 如果我們想要生活 在這個多元化的世界中

how do we get there?

我們如何達到目的？

What are each of your visions?

你的每一個願景是什麼？

CB: Well, I'd say this.

克: 好吧 我會這樣說

I've always noticed that folks who talk a lot about depolarization,

我一直注意到那些經常談論去極化的人

when I really drill down with them,

當我真正深入研究他們時 會發晛

they don't always practice it in their personal life.

他們並不總是在個人生活中實踐去極化

So the first thing I would say is,

所以我想說的第一件事是

is to fight confirmation bias in your own lives.

要對抗在你自己生活之中已經確認的偏誤

We, again, are sent content all day long that we already agree with,

我們再次整天傳送我們 收到的已經同意的內容

because it's sending it to us,

因為它發送這様的内容給我們

because it wants us to agree with it and read it.

因為它希望我們同意並閱讀它

SA: Algorithms. CB: Algorithms.

蕯: 演算法 克: 演算法

So go outside your comfort zone

所以你要走出自己的舒適區

and read things that you know are going to make you mad.

閱讀你知道會讓你生氣的東西

Just go ahead and read it.

而且只需繼續閱讀它

Understand whatever the other side of your argument is,

理解你的論據的另一面是什麼

go seek that information out, focus on it, at least try to understand it.

去尋找那些信息 專注於它 至少嘗試理解它

I'd say that'd be the first thing.

我要說 那就是第一件事

Then take that a step further.

然後再進一步

Do you know anybody that you really dislike and disagree with?

你認識一個你真正不喜歡 或你不同意的人嗎？

And do you spend any time with that person?

你會花時間和那個人在一起嗎？

Probably not.

很可能不會

So, you know, in your personal lives,

所以你知道 在你的個人生活中

your work lives, your neighborhood, wherever,

你的工作生活中、你的鄰居粴 無論在哪裡

go find somebody that you probably disagree with a lot

去找一個你可能非常不同意的人

and ask them to dinner.

並請他們吃飯

Go have a drink with them or a cup of coffee

去和他們在一起或喝一杯一杯咖啡

and spend some time getting to know them.

花一些時間來認識了解他們

It’s really easy to be polarized if it remains in the abstract

如果去極化仍然停留在抽像之中 無論你站在哪一方

and the other side of whatever side you're on

另一方都不以人性對待

is not humanized.

那就真的很容易兩極化

So if you put a human face to it, it certainly helps.

所以 如果你譲它擺上人的面孔 那肯定會有所幫助

I'd say the final thing is in your community, whatever that is,

我想說的最後一件事是 在您的社區中 無論是什麼事情

to really demand more of your leaders right down to the local level.

要從地方層級開始 真正要求您的領導者

Nationalizing local issues is never a winner.

將地方問題國家化 永遠不會是贏家

All it does is, you know, cause rancor and ineffectiveness.

您知道的 那様做只會 引起怨懟舆無效能

So if you've got a local leader

因此 如果您當地的領導者

who is not representing your community well

不能很好地代表您的社區

and focused on things that really aren't going to help your community,

而專注於不能真正幫助 您的社區的事情上

call them out on it.

請向他們指出這一點

Then go back to that person you disagree with all the time

然後回到那個您一直不同意

and had lunch with

並一起吃過午飯的人那裡

and find something that you can work on together

找到一些你們可以一起做的工作

and you know, put your differences aside and make it happen.

把你們的分歧擺到一旁 先真正動手去做

That's some practical advice.

這就是實用的建議

CSB: Yeah, it really gives me a lot of hope.

主持人: 是的，這真的給了我很多希望

How about you, Samar?

你的看法呢 薩瑪？

SA: I'd say we the people are one of the reasons

薩: 我想說 我們人民是我們如此

why we're so divided.

分裂的原因之一

And the irony here

而這裡反諷的是

is that it's going to be we the people that gets us out of this mess,

只有我們自己才能擺脫困境

and we're not getting out of here otherwise.

否則我們就毫無解脱之道

And so I think we need to get into the democracy gym

因此我認為 我們需要進入民主健身房

and start practicing a couple of these things that Clint just said.

並開始練習克林特剛才說的那些事情

I want to underscore about community, about having courageous conversations,

我想強調社群、勇敢的對話

about listening to each other.

互相傾聽

And I want to add just a couple of points.

我只想補充幾點

Just three of them, if I may.

如果容許我説的話 只有三點

One is we need to ask the question, whose responsibility is it?

其一是 我們必須問這個問題 這是誰的責任？

So in asking that question,

因此 透過提出這個問題

we restore agency, and we move from feeling powerless to being powerful.

我們恢復了能動性 我們從無能為力變成了強大

And Clint and I just practiced this and are practicing this,

克林特和我只是練習了這一點 正在練習這一點

for example, around the Covenant shooting that we just experienced

例如 圍繞我們剛剛經歷過的 聖約星盟壆校槍擊事件

and figuring out we have a complex problem here with mass shootings.

我們發現大規模槍擊事件 是一個複雜的問題

We all do in this country.

我們在這個國家都這麽做的

How do we join hands together to try to solve that problem?

我們如何攜手共同努力 解決這個問題？

The second thing is that we need to move away from a scarcity mindset

第二件事是我們必須擺脫 稀缺的心態

and embrace a growth mindset.

並擁抱成長的心態

We need to stop playing these zero-sum games

我們必須停止這種零和遊戲

and start working towards win-win.

開始努力實現雙贏

And one of the ways that we do that is we think about, you know,

我們這樣做的方法之一是 我們可以想

if I let Clint in, I don't need to be scared

如果我讓克林特進來 我就不必害怕

that he's going to take everything.

他會拿走一切

I need to meet that fear with hope.

我必須用希望來面對恐懼

And if we work together, we can expand the pie.

如果我們共同努力 我們就能把餡餠做大

We can create more opportunity,

我們能創造更多的機會

we can work better together and live in a better society.

我們能够更好地合作 生活在更好的社會中

And the third thing is we need to build trust.

第三件事是 我們需要建立信任

We practice patience with each other, mercy and accountability,

我們每天都練習對彼此 有耐心、慈悲和負責任

trust me, every single day.

相信我 每一天如此

And I would just also suggest to post a positive video

我也建議每週發布 一段積極的影片

that inspires your community,

來激勵你的社區

that also helps build trust within your community,

這也有助於在你的社區內

on a weekly basis.

建立信任

And see, you're going to be confusing the algorithms.

然後你會看到 你將會混淆那些演算法

And if you see something like, for example,

如果你看到類似的內容 例如

if I were to watch on YouTube a disinformation video

如果我在 YouTube 上觀看一段 關於克林特是重金屬樂隊成員的

about Clint being a member of a heavy metal band

虛假信息影片

that also is tying into a Star Wars cult that's taking over the galaxy,

而該樂隊也與正在佔領銀河系的 星球大戰邪教有聯繫

let me pick up the phone.

那麽 讓我拿起電話

CB: That was the '80s, and we're not going to talk about that.

克: 那是 80 年代的事 我們不再談論這點

SA: As a peacemaker,

薩: 我是個和平缔造者

people tell me all the time, war is inevitable.

但人們總是告訴我 戰爭是不可避免的

That's just what humans do.

那就是人類會做的事情

Humans are violent.

人類是暴力的

Humans fight.

人類會鬥争

But if war is inevitable, peace is inevitable too.

但 如果戰爭是不可避免的 和平應該也是不可避免的

And it is peace that we need to prepare for now.

而且我們 現在必須 要為和平 做好準備

I welcome you,

我歡迎您

I invite you to join me on this journey.

我邀請您参與我 踏上這段旅程

I have a feeling we won't regret it.

我覺得 我們不會後悔的

CSB: Samar, Clint, thank you so much for growing this pie together

主持人: 薩瑪爾、克林特 非常感謝你們 一起烘培這個餡餅

and thank you for your time here on stage.

感謝你們在講台上的時間

Thanks for joining us.

感謝你們参舆我們

(Applause)

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