The Song That Sparked a Movement in Afghanistan | Nila Ibrahimi | TED

譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: SF Huang

Video: (Singing in Farsi)

影片：（唱波斯語歌）

(Speaking in Farsi)

（說波斯語）

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Chris Anderson: Hello, Nila. Welcome to the TED stage.

主持人：嗨，妮拉， 歡迎來到 TED 舞台。

講者：克里斯，謝謝妳邀請我來。

Nila Ibrahimi: Thank you so much, Chris. Thank you for having me.

主持人：妳到溫哥華就會受邀的。

CA: This happens when you come to Vancouver.

講者：我很榮幸能來這裡。

NI: I'm really honored to be here. CA: What were you singing?

主持：妳剛唱的是什麼？

NI: The song was saying --

講者：這首歌講的是——

It's really hard to translate it right now,

很難現在就把它翻譯出來，

但主要是希望鼓勵其他女孩去上學,

but it's mostly encouraging other girls to go to school.

It's encouraging education.

是在鼓勵教育。

At this time, I thought that was the closest song to protest

在這個時期，我認為這首歌曲最適合

抗議禁止女孩在公開場所 唱歌的這個決策。

against the decision that banned girls from singing in public.

So yeah, I didn't know that two or three months after

是的，我當時不知道

在兩、三個月後 女孩會被禁止接受教育。

girls would be banned from education.

CA: Before they were banned from education, though,

主持人：但在女孩被禁止接受教育 之前，這支影片已經造成了影響。

the video had an impact.

Other people released videos. There was support.

其他人發佈了這支影片，且有人支持。

What happened?

發生了什麼事？唱歌的禁令 後來不是被撤銷了嗎？

Wasn't that singing ban then reversed?

NI: So this happened.

講者：狀況是這樣的， 女孩到了十二歲以上

The decision was announced

that girls over the age of 12 can't sing in public

就不可公開唱歌的決策， 是在 2021 年三月宣佈。

in March of 2021.

If I'm right.

若我沒記錯的話。

After the movement "I'm My Song,"

在「我是我的歌」運動之後，

I joined the movement and so did the other brave girls of Afghanistan.

我加入了這場運動，還有 其他勇敢的阿富汗女孩也加入了。

And it was two or three weeks after that the decision was reversed,

過了兩、三週之後， 那個決策就被撤銷了，

after our efforts and the efforts that the media put in

這期間我們和媒體都做了很多努力

in getting our voice across to the world.

把我們的聲音傳到全世界。

CA: Wow.

主持人：哇。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

CA: But then something shocking happened after that.

主持人：但那之後 又發生了令人震驚的事。

NI: I didn't know two or three months after

講者：我那時並不知道 二或三個月後，

that Afghanistan would fall into the hands of Taliban.

阿富汗會落入塔利班的手裡。

It was surreal, and it's really hard to talk about it every time.

很難以置信，每次 談這件事都很困難。

I’ve started my journey of activism right after that moment,

從那時之後，我就開始投身 行動主義的活動，

when I discovered that my voice can be heard,

因為那時我發現， 我的聲音也能被聽見，

and I discovered the power of my voice through standing up against that decision.

起身對抗那個決策也讓我發現 我的聲音有多大的力量。

But when Afghanistan fell,

但阿富汗淪陷之後，我覺得 我的那股力量被奪走了。

I felt like that power was taken away from me.

So I had to fight for that, to regain it.

所以我必須挺身而戰， 重新取得那股力量。

CA: So I told the story wrong.

主持人：所以我講錯了， 最初的歌唱禁令，

The initial ban, the singing ban, was before the Taliban came to power.

是在塔利班掌權之前宣佈的。

You found your voice. They came to power.

妳找到了妳的聲音。 接著他們才掌權。

And ...

Tell us your story. What happened next?

跟我們說說妳的故事。 接下來發生了什麼？

講者：塔利班來的 那一天是八月十五號。

NI: The Taliban came August 15.

That was the day I was about to have my last mid-year exam,

我本來要去參加 我的最後一次期中考，

the day after that, August 16, which did not happen.

時間是八月十六號，結果沒有舉行。

I was just busy studying for my exams, Arabic and Pashto,

我那時埋頭用功準備 阿拉伯語和普什圖語的考試，

and the rumors spread out,

接著謠言傳開來，我母親 突然開始把我們的文件燒掉，

and my mom suddenly started burning all of the documents

that we had of my deceased father,

和我已故的父親及我的 兄弟姐妹有關的文件，

and my siblings,

who were studying in the American university

因為他們在美國讀大學 且在聯合國工作。

and working at the United Nations.

It was surreal in a way that I never thought that could happen,

這好不真實，因為我 從來沒有想過會發生這種事，

all of a sudden, in just one day.

一夕之間就突然風雲變色。

All of that power, all of the things that we had worked so hard for,

我們所有的力量，我們曾經 那麼努力爭取的一切，

could be taken away from us in just seconds and just minutes.

有可能在瞬間就被奪去。

And that the power that I thought I had,

而我以為我擁有的力量，

the power, the confidence I gained from posting that video,

我因為發佈那支影片而取得的信心

it was all taken away from me.

全都被奪走了。

It was all shattered.

一切都破滅了。

So I thought I had to regain that power

我認為我必須重新取得那股力量，

by getting out of the oppressed Afghanistan

所以我得離開受到壓迫的阿富汗，

that now is being ruled by Taliban.

現在被塔利班統治的阿富汗。

CA: So you were able to escape. How did you get out?

主持人：所以妳逃出來了。 妳怎麼辦到的？

NI: That's a long story, actually.

講者：那真的是個很長的故事， 在淪陷五天之後，

So five days after the fall,

we went to Pakistan to hide and escape.

我們藏身到巴基斯坦，試圖逃脫。

Our family's background put us in danger

家人的背景讓我們的處境很危險，

and, amazingly, we found 30 Birds Foundation,

不可思議的是，我們找到了 「三十隻鳥基金會」，

which helped us resettle in Canada

我們在巴基斯坦等了八、九個月後， 他們便協助我們在加拿大安頓下來。

after waiting in Pakistan around eight, nine months.

The time I spent in Pakistan,

我在巴基斯坦的那段時間，

that has its own surreal story,

又有另外的故事，一樣很不真實，

but I'm just really glad to have the opportunities

但我真的很高興能擁有我認為 每位女性都應該擁有的機會。

that I think every single woman should have.

And I just wish that Afghan girls can regain their power and their voice,

我只希望阿富汗女孩能像我一樣 重新取得自己的力量和聲音。

just like I have.

(Applause)

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CA: Well.

主持人：好。

Nila, here you are on the TED stage.

妮拉，妳現在站在 TED 的舞台上

You've been using your voice to raise awareness on this issue.

妳一直在使用妳的聲音 提高大家對這個議題的意識。

I'd like to -- see that red light there? That's a camera, right there.

看到那邊的紅燈了嗎？ 那是攝影機的所在，就在那裡。

I'd love you to just come to the middle of the stage

我想請妳站到舞台的中央，

and give your message to the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

把妳要給阿富汗塔利班 政府的訊息說出來。

Whatever you want to say to them, here at TED.

無論妳想對他們說什麼， 在 TED 這裡說出來。

I'm going to step out and give you the stage for a minute.

我先退開一下，把舞台留給妳。

NI: For the Taliban.

講者：給塔利班。

I'm not angry.

我不生氣。

I never have been.

我一直都沒有生氣。

But you don't know who you're up against.

但你們不知道自己在對抗的是誰。

People like me, the girls that I know,

是像我這樣的人，

我認識的女孩，我在「她的 故事」工作時訪談過的女孩，

the girls that I've been interviewing through my work at Her Story,

the girls who have been displaced

流離失所的女孩，

and the girls who are now living in Afghanistan under the oppression,

及現在生活在阿富汗，受到壓迫，

沒有任何資源， 無法接受教育的女孩，

without any resources and without any access to education,

她們都還在奮戰。

they're still fighting.

They have not given up.

她們還沒有放棄。

那就是我想要分享 關於阿富汗女孩的故事。

And that is what I want to share about Afghan girls.

That is what makes us different,

那就是我們之間的差異，

and that is what should be supported and appreciated and heard.

那就是應該被支持、 欣賞和聽見的訊息。

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause)

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