4 tips to kickstart honest conversations at work | Betsy Kauffman

69,883 views ・ 2021-02-06

TED


μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

00:00
Transcriber: Leslie Gauthier Reviewer: Joanna Pietrulewicz
0
0
7000
λ²ˆμ—­: Joy Lee κ²€ν† : Jihyeon J. Kim
μ €λŠ” μ‹­λŒ€μΈ μ•„λ“€ λ‘˜μ΄ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
각각 16μ‚΄, 13살이죠.
μžλ…€κ°€ μ—¬λŸΏ μžˆλŠ” λ‹€λ₯Έ 가쑱이 κ·Έλ ‡λ“―
두 μ•„μ΄λŠ” μ™„μ „νžˆ λ‹€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
λ‘˜ λͺ¨λ‘ 정말 멋지고 ν›Œλ₯­ν•œ μžμ§ˆμ„ κ°–κ³  μžˆμ§€μš”.
00:13
I have two teenage boys.
1
13083
1768
00:14
One is 16 and one is 13.
2
14875
2268
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ‘˜μ„ μ •λ§λ‘œ κ΅¬λΆ„μ§“λŠ” 건
00:17
And like most families with multiple children,
3
17167
2184
큰 아이가 μ–Έμ œ μž…μ„ 닀물지λ₯Ό μ•„λŠ” λ°˜λ©΄μ—
00:19
they are completely different.
4
19375
1768
μž‘μ€ μ•„μ΄λŠ” 그닀지 그렇지 μ•Šλ‹€λŠ” μ μ΄μ§€μš”.
00:21
Both are wonderful and have many great qualities about them,
5
21167
3226
제 μž‘μ€ 아듀은 말을 μˆœν™”ν•˜λŠ” 데 정말 어렀움을 κ²ͺμ£ .
00:24
however what really sets them apart
6
24417
1726
00:26
is that my older son knows when to bite his tongue
7
26167
2976
특히 λ‚˜μ„œμ„œ μžμ‹ μ˜ 생각을 κ·ΈλŒ€λ‘œ 말할 λ•ŒλŠ” λ§μ˜ˆμš”.
00:29
and my young son, not so much.
8
29167
2642
μ•½ 3λ…„ 전에
00:31
You see, my younger son really struggles with having a filter,
9
31833
3310
이웃 아이듀과 μ–΄λ₯Έ μ—¬λŸΏμ΄
큰 κ°ˆλ“±μ„ ν•΄κ²°ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ λͺ¨μ˜€μ–΄μš”.
00:35
especially when it comes to speaking up
10
35167
1934
아이듀은 μ„œλ‘œ μ „μŸμ΄λΌλ„ ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒλ§Œ κ°™μ•˜μ£ .
00:37
and saying exactly what's on his mind.
11
37125
2101
00:39
About three years ago,
12
39250
1268
λ§Žμ΄λ“€ 울고, λΉ„λͺ…지λ₯΄κ³  μ†Œλ¦¬μ³€μ–΄μš”.
00:40
a bunch of kids and adults in the neighborhood had come together
13
40542
3059
이게 μ ˆλŒ€ ν•΄κ²°λ˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ 것 같은 λŠλ‚Œμ΄μ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
00:43
to work through a big conflict.
14
43625
1559
κ°ˆλ“±μ΄ μ΅œκ³ μ‘°μ— 이λ₯΄λ €μ„ λ•Œ
00:45
The kids were basically at war with each other.
15
45208
2268
제 μž‘μ€ 아듀이 정말 μ°¨λΆ„ν•˜κ³ , λͺ…ν™•ν•˜κ³  사싀 κ·ΈλŒ€λ‘œ λ§ν•˜λŠ” μ–΄μ‘°λ‘œ
00:47
There were lots of tears, screaming, shouting,
16
47500
2351
00:49
and I felt like we would never get to a resolution.
17
49875
2726
λ‹€λ₯Έ μ•„μ΄μ—κ²Œ λ§ν•˜λ”κ΅°μš”.
β€œλ„ˆ μ•Œλ©΄μ„œ 거짓말 ν–ˆμž–μ•„. λ„Œ 그게 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌλŠ” κ±Έ μ•Œκ³  μžˆμ—ˆμ–΄.
00:52
When we were in the height of everything,
18
52625
2018
00:54
my younger son, in the most calm, clear, matter-of-fact tone,
19
54667
3809
이제 λͺ¨λ‘ν•œν…Œ μ†”μ§ν•˜κ²Œ 사싀을 말해야 ν•΄.”
λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ λ©ˆμ·„μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:58
turned to another child and said,
20
58500
1851
01:00
"You know you were lying. You know that's not what happened.
21
60375
2893
κ·Έ 말에 아무도 λ°˜λ°•ν•  수 μ—†μ—ˆμ£ , λ°˜λ‘ ν•  수 μ—†μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:03
It's time to come clean and tell everyone the truth."
22
63292
2767
아듀이 말을 κΊΌλ‚Έ 방식은
사싀 κ·ΈλŒ€λ‘œμ˜€κ³  정말 μ •μ§ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
01:06
The entire group stopped.
23
66083
2518
κ·Έ λ•Œ, κ·Έ 아이가 정말 κΈ°νŠΉν•˜λ‹€λŠ” λŠλ‚Œμ„ 받은 κ±Έ κΈ°μ–΅ν•΄μš”.
01:08
They could not argue with him; they could not dispute him.
24
68625
3143
μ•„λ“€μ—κ²ŒλŠ” λ‚˜μ„œμ„œ 말할 μš©κΈ°μ™€ 당당함이 μžˆμ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
01:11
His manner of delivery was so real
25
71792
1976
01:13
and so honest.
26
73792
1392
κ·Έ λ•Œκ°€ μ œκ°€ 이런 생각을 μ‹œμž‘ν•˜κ²Œ 된 λ•Œμ˜€μ£ .
01:15
And I remember feeling really proud of him in that moment,
27
75208
2726
μ™œ μ‚¬νšŒλŠ” μš°λ¦¬κ°€ λ°œμ–Έν•˜κΈ°λ₯Ό λ‘λ €μ›Œν•˜κ²Œ ν•˜λŠ” κ±ΈκΉŒμš”.
01:17
because he had the courage and the confidence to speak up.
28
77958
3042
νŠΉνžˆλ‚˜ μš°λ¦¬λ“€ λ˜λž˜λ‚˜ λ™λ£Œ 직원듀 μ•žμ—μ„œμš”.
01:21
And that moment started getting me thinking.
29
81875
2309
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ μƒμ‚¬μ—κ²Œ μ–˜κΈ° ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄ 멋지지 μ•Šμ„κΉŒμš”?
μ§€κΈˆ μ„€μ •λœ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈμ˜ κΈ°ν•œμ€ μ™„μ „νžˆ λΉ„ν˜„μ‹€μ μ΄λΌκ³ μš”.
01:24
Why as a society have we created this fear to speak up,
30
84208
3185
01:27
especially in a group of our peers or our coworkers?
31
87417
2851
λ™λ£Œ μ§μ›μ—κ²Œ κ·Έκ°€ λ„ˆλ¬΄ κΉŒλ‹€λ‘­κ²Œ κ΅΄κ³  μžˆλ‹€ 말할 수 μžˆλŠ” 건 μ–΄λ–€κ°€μš”?
01:30
Wouldn't it be amazing if you could tell your boss
32
90292
2392
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„ 쀑 운이 쒋은 λͺ‡λͺ‡ 뢄듀은
01:32
that that project deadline she put out there
33
92708
2101
μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ κ°œλ°©μ„±κ³Ό 솔직함에 κ°€μΉ˜λ₯Ό λ‘λŠ” 곳에 κ·Όλ¬΄ν•˜μ‹œμ£ .
01:34
is completely unreasonable?
34
94833
1393
01:36
And what about being able to tell a coworker
35
96250
2143
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ 리더십과 쑰직 μ½”μΉ˜λ‘œμ„œ μΌν•˜λŠ” μž…μž₯μ—μ„œ
01:38
that they're being really difficult?
36
98417
1892
01:40
Now I know some of you are lucky enough to be able to work in places
37
100333
3268
κ·ΈλŸ¬ν•œ 사둀가 ν‘œμ€€μ μ΄μ§€λŠ” μ•Šλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ λ§μ”€λ“œλ €μ•Όκ² λ„€μš”.
01:43
that value that kind of openness and honesty,
38
103625
2809
μ „ μˆ˜λ°±μ— λ‹¬ν•˜λŠ” μ‹œλ‚˜λ¦¬μ˜€λ₯Ό κ΄€μ°°ν•΄ μ™”κ³ 
μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ 상황듀 μ†μ—μ„œ μ—¬λŸ¬ μ‚¬λžŒμ„ 지도해 μ™”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:46
however in my work as a leadership and organizational coach,
39
106458
3393
μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ λ°œμ–Έν•˜κΈ°λ₯Ό μ£Όμ €ν–ˆκ³ 
01:49
I have to tell you that is not the norm.
40
109875
2393
λ“œλŸ¬λ‚΄λ†“κ³  μ†”μ§ν•˜κ²Œ 이야기λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ„λŠ” κ±Έ κΊΌλ €ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:52
I've observed hundreds of scenarios
41
112292
1726
특히 그게 κ°€μž₯ ν•„μš”ν•œ λ•Œμ—μš”.
01:54
and coached multiple people through situations
42
114042
2226
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ μ œκ°€ 뭘 λ§ν•˜λŠ”μ§€λ₯Ό μ•„μ‹€ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:56
where they are afraid to speak up,
43
116292
1851
회의 쀑에 λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ 아이디어λ₯Ό λ‚΄κ³ 
01:58
they're afraid to have those honest conversations out in the open,
44
118167
3351
λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ μ°¬μ„±ν•˜λŠ” 것은 μ•„λ‹Œλ°λ„
02:01
especially when they're needed the most.
45
121542
2267
아무도 아무 말을 꺼내지 μ•ŠλŠ” κ±°μ£ .
02:03
And you probably know what I'm talking about:
46
123833
2143
그리고 μ•½ 2초쯀 μ§€λ‚˜κ³ μ„œ
λˆ„κ΅°κ°€κ°€ νœ΄λŒ€ν°μ„ λ“€μ–΄
02:06
you're in meeting, somebody pitches an idea,
47
126000
2643
같은 νšŒμ˜μ— μžˆλŠ” λ‹€λ₯Έ λˆ„κ΅°κ°€μ—κ²Œ 문자 λ©”μ‹œμ§€λ₯Ό λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
02:08
not everyone agrees,
48
128667
1476
02:10
but no one says a word.
49
130167
1684
02:11
And then about two seconds later,
50
131875
1684
μ € 아이디어 정말 λ°”λ³΄κ°™λ‹€κ³ μš”.
02:13
somebody picks up their cell phone
51
133583
1685
κ·Έ 유λͺ…ν•œ μ •μˆ˜κΈ° μ•ž λŒ€ν™”λ„ μžŠμ§€ 말아야죠.
02:15
and begins sending a text message to somebody else in the same meeting,
52
135292
4226
νšŒμ˜κ°€ λλ‚˜μžλ§ˆμž
02:19
telling them how stupid the idea is.
53
139542
2166
μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ 또래 ν˜Ήμ€ λ™λ£Œ μ§μ›ν•œν…Œ 달렀가죠.
02:22
And let's not forget the proverbial watercooler conversations.
54
142750
3393
μ•„λ§ˆλ„ μ •μˆ˜κΈ° μ•žμœΌλ‘œμš”.
그리고 κ·Έ νšŒμ˜μ— κ΄€ν•œ λͺ¨λ“  μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μ˜κ²¬μ„ λ‚΄λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:26
As soon as the meeting over,
55
146167
1726
λ¬Έμ œλŠ” 이 일이 νšŒμ˜κ°€ λλ‚œ 후에 μΌμ–΄λ‚œλ‹€λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
02:27
they rush over to a peer or a group of coworkers
56
147917
2684
회의 쀑이 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌμš”.
02:30
probably near a watercooler
57
150625
1601
μ €λŠ” μž„λ¬΄κ°€ 생겼죠.
μ €λŠ” 이 μˆ˜λ™κ³΅κ²©μ μΈ 문자 κ΅ν™˜μ„ λ©ˆμΆ”κ³ 
02:32
and offer all kinds of opinions about that meeting.
58
152250
3143
자판기 μ•ž λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό μ •λ©΄μœΌλ‘œ λŒμ–΄μ˜€κ³  μ‹Άμ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
02:35
But the problem is that it's after the meeting
59
155417
2226
02:37
instead of during it.
60
157667
1392
μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό μ‹œμž‘ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
02:39
So I'm on a mission.
61
159083
1351
02:40
I want to stop the passive-aggressive texting
62
160458
2935
μš°λ¦¬κ°€ ν•¨κ»˜ μΌν•˜λŠ” λ°©μ‹μ˜ 역학을 λ°”κΏ€ 거라 μ €λŠ” λ―ΏμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:43
and start bringing the watercooler conversations front and center.
63
163417
3767
μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 쒀더 μƒμ‚°μ μœΌλ‘œ λ³€ν•  κ±°κ³ 
직μž₯μ—μ„œ 덜 λ‘λ €μ›Œν•˜κ³  더 ν–‰λ³΅ν•΄μ§ˆ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
02:47
I believe when we can start to have these types of conversations,
64
167208
3143
자주 μ§ˆλ¬Έμ„ λ“£μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:50
it will change the dynamics of how we all work together.
65
170375
2976
그런 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•œ 용기λ₯Ό μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ‚Ό 수 μžˆλŠλƒκ³ μš”.
02:53
We'll become more productive,
66
173375
1726
02:55
less fearful and even happier at work.
67
175125
3309
특히 κ΄€λ¦¬μž 직책에 μžˆμ§€ μ•Šμ€ 경우
ν˜Ήμ€ κ·ΈλŸ¬ν•œ κ°œλ°©μ„±κ³Ό 솔직함을 쳐주지 μ•ŠλŠ” 직μž₯에 일할 κ²½μš°μ—μš”.
02:58
Now, I often get asked:
68
178458
1893
03:00
how do you muster up the courage to have those kinds of conversations,
69
180375
3286
제게 용기λ₯Ό λ‚΄λŠ” 일은 4가지 ν•­λͺ©μ˜ 쑰합에 λ”°λ₯΄κ²Œ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:03
especially if you're not in a leadership position,
70
183685
2351
당당함, μ˜λ„,
03:06
or you work in a place that does not value that kind of openness and honesty?
71
186060
4541
전달,
그리고 β€˜μ–Έμ œλ‚˜ 해결책을 μ°ΎμœΌλ €λŠ” 것’이죠.
03:10
And for me, it comes down to a combination of four things:
72
190625
3643
μ„€λͺ…을 ν•΄ λ“œλ¦¬λ„λ‘ ν•˜κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
첫 λ²ˆμ§ΈλŠ” λ‹Ήλ‹Ήν•¨μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:14
confidence, intent,
73
194292
2267
μ••λ‹ˆλ‹€, λ§λ‘œλŠ” μ‰¬μš΄ 일이죠.
03:16
delivery
74
196583
1268
03:17
and always striving to seek a solution.
75
197875
2476
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μž‘μ€ μ†μž„μˆ˜κ°€ μžˆμ–΄μš”.
이게 μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ„ λ„μšΈ 수 있으면 μ’‹κ² λ„€μš”.
03:20
So let me break those down for you.
76
200375
1726
λ‹€μŒμ— 회의 쀑에 λ°œμ–Έν•˜κ³  μ‹Άμ§€λ§Œ
03:22
The first one is confidence.
77
202125
1851
μ•½κ°„ κΈ΄μž₯λ˜κ±°λ‚˜ κ±±μ •μŠ€λŸ¬μšΈ λ•Œλ©΄
03:24
And I know -- easier said than done.
78
204000
2309
μ œκ°€ β€œλ»”ν•¨μ˜ λŒ€μž₯ μ „λž΅β€œμ΄λΌκ³  λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ” μ „λž΅μ„ μ΄μš©ν•΄ λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
03:26
However, I have a little trick that I hope will help you.
79
206333
2851
03:29
The next time you're in a meeting and you want to speak up
80
209208
2810
이런 μ‹μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
β€œλ»”ν•œ 말일 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆλŠ”λ°μš”.
κ·Έ λ°©μ•ˆμ΄ 우리 문제λ₯Ό μ§„μ§œ ν•΄κ²°ν•˜μ§€λŠ” λͺ»ν•  것 κ°™μ€λ°μš”?”
03:32
but you're feeling a little nervous or anxious,
81
212042
2226
03:34
I would recommend you use what I call "the Captain Obvious strategy."
82
214292
3309
β€œλ»”ν•˜λ‹€β€œλΌλŠ” μ–˜κΈ°λ₯Ό λ§ν•¨μœΌλ‘œμ¨
03:37
It goes something like this:
83
217625
1393
기본적으둜 λΆ„μœ„κΈ°λ₯Ό ν™˜κΈ°ν•˜λ©΄μ„œ
03:39
"Call me Captain Obvious,
84
219042
1309
μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ ν™•μΈν•˜μ—¬
03:40
but isn't that solution not really going to address our problem?"
85
220375
3226
λˆ„κ΅°κ°€ λ“£κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€, 같은 μƒκ°μ΄λ‚˜ λŠλ‚Œμ„ κ°–κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€ λ³΄λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
03:43
By saying "Captain Obvious" out loud,
86
223625
1851
κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ λ‹Ήλ‹Ήν•˜κ²Œ λ§ν•¨μœΌλ‘œμ¨
03:45
it basically adds a little humor to the moment,
87
225500
2393
λ‹€λ₯Έ 이듀이 같은 당당함을 κ°€μ§ˆ 수 있게 문을 μ—¬λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:47
but it also does a check of the room
88
227917
1809
03:49
to see if anybody else is hearing, seeing or feeling the same things.
89
229750
3476
β€œλ»”ν•˜λ‹€β€œλŠ” 말을 κΌ­ ν•΄μ•Όν•  ν•„μš”λŠ” μ—†μ–΄μš”.
03:53
And by having that confidence to speak up,
90
233250
2184
03:55
you then open the door to allow others to have that same confidence.
91
235458
3792
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ λ§ν•˜κΈ° 직전에 λ¨Έλ¦Ώμ†μ—μ„œλ§Œ μ–˜κΈ°ν•΄λ„ λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
큰 κ²½κΈ°λ₯Ό μ•žλ‘κ³  μ •μ‹ μ μœΌλ‘œ 슀슀둜 κ°€λ‹€λ“¬λŠ” κ²ƒμ²˜λŸΌμš”.
04:00
Now you don't always have to say Captain Obvious out loud.
92
240000
3559
이 μ „λž΅μ„ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μ΄μš©ν•˜λŠ”μ§€μ™€ 관계 없이
04:03
You can say it quietly in your head right before you speak up,
93
243583
3268
당당함은 이 λͺ¨λ“  일의 첫 κ±ΈμŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:06
kind of like you're mentally pumping yourself up before a big game.
94
246875
3893
β€œμ˜λ„β€œλ‘œ λ„˜μ–΄κ°€λ³΄μ§€μš”.
μ˜λ„λž€ λ°œμ–Έμ˜ λͺ©μ κ³Ό μ΄μœ μ— κ΄€ν•œ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:10
Regardless of how you use this strategy,
95
250792
1976
04:12
confidence is the first step in all of this.
96
252792
2517
λ°œμ–Έν•¨μœΌλ‘œμ¨ λ‚΄κ°€ λ¬Έμ œλ‚˜ 상황을
04:15
So let's move on to intent.
97
255333
1935
ν•΄κ²°ν•˜κ³ μž ν•œλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ μΈμ§€ν•˜κ³ , μ΄ν•΄ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ” 것에 κ΄€ν•œ κ±°μ£ .
04:17
Intent is about having a purpose and a reason to speak up.
98
257292
3184
예λ₯Ό λ“€μ–΄ λˆ„κ΅°κ°€ νšŒμ˜μ—μ„œ κΉŒλ‹€λ‘­κ²Œ κ΅΄κ³  μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
04:20
Intent is about knowing and understanding that by me speaking up,
99
260500
3726
κ·Έκ±Έ μ§€μ ν•˜λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
μ €μ˜ μ˜λ„λŠ” κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ„ λΆ€λ„λŸ½κ²Œ ν•˜λ €λŠ” 게 μ•„λ‹ˆμ—μš”.
04:24
I either want to work through a problem or address a situation.
100
264250
3476
κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μ•Œκ²Œ ν•˜λ €λŠ” κ±°μ£ .
04:27
For example, when someone is being really difficult in a meeting
101
267750
3059
그의 행동이 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ λΆ€λ‹΄μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμ„μš”.
04:30
and I call them out on it,
102
270833
1560
제 μ•„λ“€μ˜ 경우, 진싀을 λ°νžˆλŠ” 것이 μ˜λ„μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:32
my intent is not to embarrass them.
103
272417
2476
04:34
My intent is to make them aware
104
274917
1559
λ‹€λ₯Έ 아이λ₯Ό κ±°μ§“λ§μŸμ΄λΌκ³  λ§€λ„ν•˜λ €λŠ” 게 μ•„λ‹ˆμ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
04:36
that their behavior is putting a strain on the group.
105
276500
3101
κΈ€μŽ„μš”...
04:39
For my son, his intent was that the truth be heard.
106
279625
3268
μ΅œμ†Œν•œ μ €λŠ” 아듀이 κ·Έλž¬λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€λ§Œ.
아듀은 κ³ μž‘ 10μ‚΄μ΄μ—ˆμœΌλ‹ˆ, μ œκ°€ 틀렸을 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ§€μš”.
04:42
He wasn't just calling the other child a liar out of spite.
107
282917
3291
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ•„λ“€μ˜ 근본적인 μ˜λ„λŠ” 진싀을 밝힘으둜써
04:47
Well ...
108
287250
1309
04:48
at least I don't think he was.
109
288583
1476
μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 해결책을 찾도둝 ν•˜λŠ” 데 μžˆμ—ˆμ–΄μš”.
04:50
He was only 10 at the time, so I could be wrong.
110
290083
3726
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ 쒋은 μ˜λ„λ₯Ό κ°–κ³  μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
04:53
However, his underlying intent was that the truth be heard
111
293833
3726
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ˜ 말도 μ—΄λ¦° 마음으둜 λ°›μ•„λ“€μ—¬μ§ˆ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:57
so that we'd get to a resolution.
112
297583
2226
μ„Έ 번째인 β€œμ „λ‹¬β€œλ‘œ κ°€ λ³ΌκΉŒμš”.
04:59
I feel when you go in with a positive intent,
113
299833
2226
μ „λ‹¬μ΄λž€ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ˜ μ‹€μ œ 말을 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ κΎΈλ―ΈλŠ”μ§€μ— κ΄€ν•œ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:02
it's much more likely that your message will be received with an open mind.
114
302083
4101
전달은 사싀에 κΈ°λ°˜ν•΄μ•Ό ν•˜κ³ ,
05:06
Alright, let's move onto the third step, which is delivery.
115
306208
3185
사싀적이어야 ν•˜μ£ .
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ λ§ν•˜λ €λŠ” 것을 포μž₯ν•˜λ©΄ μ•ˆλœλ‹€λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:09
Delivery is about how you frame the actual message.
116
309417
3601
그리고 λ“£λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ 기뢄을 항상 κ³ λ €ν•΄μ•Ό ν•΄μš”.
05:13
Delivery needs to be factual,
117
313042
2184
사둀λ₯Ό ν•˜λ‚˜ λ³΄μ—¬λ“œλ¦΄κ²Œμš”.
05:15
real -- and when I say real,
118
315250
1559
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ νŒ€μœΌλ‘œ μΌν•œλ‹€κ³  가정해보죠.
05:16
I mean no sugarcoating what you're trying to say --
119
316833
2685
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ 자기 역할을 μ œλŒ€λ‘œ ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ” νŒ€μ›μ΄ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ μ•Œμ•„μš”.
05:19
and it must always take the receiver's feelings into account.
120
319542
3434
λͺ¨λ‘κ°€ μ•Œμ£ , μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ κ·Έ νŒ€μ›μ— λŒ€ν•΄ 거의 맀일 λ§ν•˜κ±°λ“ μš”,
05:23
Let me give an example.
121
323000
1434
05:24
Let's say you're working on a team
122
324458
1685
자판기 μ•žμ—μ„œμš”.
05:26
and you know there's an individual who just isn't pulling their weight.
123
326167
3351
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ λͺ¨μΌ λ•ŒλŠ” 아무도 κ·Έ μ–˜κΈ°λ₯Ό κΊΌλ‚΄λ € ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•„μš”.
05:29
Everyone knows it because you talk about this individual almost every day
124
329542
3767
λͺ‡ μ£Όκ°„μ˜ 투덜거림, μ•½κ°„μ˜ μ‹¬κ°ν•œ 생산성 μ €ν•˜ 뒀에야
05:33
at the watercooler,
125
333333
1435
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ λͺ¨μΈ μžλ¦¬μ—μ„œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•΄μ•Όκ² λ‹€κ³  κ²°μ‹¬ν•˜μ£ .
05:34
but nobody wants to bring it up in the larger group setting.
126
334792
3267
μ–΄λ–€ μ‹μœΌλ‘œ 전달이 이뀄져야 ν•˜λŠ”μ§€ λ³΄μ—¬λ“œλ¦¬κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:38
Then after several weeks of grumbling and some serious loss in productivity,
127
338083
4185
β€œμ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„, 우리 νŒ€μ΄ μ§€λ‚œ λͺ‡ μ£Όκ°„ μ–΄λ–€ λͺ©ν‘œμΉ˜λ„ λ‹¬μ„±ν•˜μ§€ λͺ»ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.”
05:42
you finally decide we need to have a conversation as a larger group.
128
342292
3517
κ°„λ‹¨ν•˜κ³ , 직접적이고, 상황을 μ „ν˜€ 포μž₯ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μ£ .
05:45
So let me show you how the delivery should look.
129
345833
2685
05:48
"Hey team, we have not met any of our commitments
130
348542
2517
그리고 계속 λ§ν•˜λŠ” κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
β€œμ €κΈ°μš”, 자료λ₯Ό λ³΄λ‹ˆκΉŒ
05:51
over the past several weeks."
131
351083
1851
05:52
Simple, direct, no sugarcoating situation.
132
352958
4393
당신은 μ§€λ‚œ 3μ£Ό μ—°μ†μœΌλ‘œ λͺ©ν‘œμΉ˜λ₯Ό λ‹¬μ„±ν•˜μ§€ λͺ»ν–ˆλŠ”λ°μš”.”
사싀에 κΈ°λ°˜ν–ˆμ£ .
05:57
And then you would continue:
133
357375
1351
μ™œ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μš°λ €ν•˜κ³  있고 이 λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•˜κ³  μžˆλŠ”μ§€
05:58
"Hey team member, we've looked at the data
134
358750
2059
μžλ£Œμ— κΈ°λ°˜ν–ˆκ³ μš”.
06:00
and we've realized that you have not been able to meet your commitments
135
360833
3393
그리고 이 μ‹œμ μ΄ 정말 μš°λ¦¬κ°€
06:04
over the past three sprints."
136
364250
1476
λ“£λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ 감정을 κ³ λ €ν•΄μ•Ό ν•  μ‹œμ μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:05
Factual. We have the data to show these are our concerns
137
365750
2684
β€œλ‹Ήμ‹ μ΄ ν•„μš”ν•œ λͺ¨λ“  κ±Έ 갖좔지 λͺ»ν•œ 것 κ°™μ•„ κ±±μ •μŠ€λŸ½μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:08
and why we're having this conversation.
138
368458
2601
μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 당신을 더 잘 지원해야 ν•  것 κ°™μ•„μš”.”
06:11
And now this is where we really want
139
371083
1810
06:12
to take the receiver's feelings into account.
140
372917
2767
κ³΅κ°ν•˜κ³ , μ‹ κ²½ 써 μ£ΌλŠ” 것이죠.
제 κ²½ν—˜μƒ 이건 거의 항상 νš¨κ³Όκ°€ μžˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:15
"We're concerned that you do not have everything that you need
141
375708
2976
06:18
and that we need to do something better to support you."
142
378708
2685
μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό λ“œλŸ¬λ‚΄λ†“κ³  ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
06:21
Empathetic, caring,
143
381417
1351
νŒ€μ›λ“€μ΄ 더 λ‹Ήλ‹Ήνžˆ λ°œμ–Έν•  수 μžˆλŠ” ν™˜κ²½μ΄ λ§Œλ“€μ–΄μ§ˆ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:22
and in my experience, it almost always works.
144
382792
3684
제 κ³Όκ±° κ²½ν—˜μ— μ˜ν•˜λ©΄ 그런 νŒ€λ“€μ΄
06:26
When we're able to have these types of conversations out in the open,
145
386500
3309
νšŒμ‚¬μ—μ„œ κ°€μž₯ μ„±κ³Όκ°€ 쒋은 νŒ€ 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜κ°€ 되곀 ν–ˆμ£ .
06:29
it creates the environment where the team feels more confident to speak up.
146
389833
3560
κ·Έμ € 이런 μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆŒ 수 μžˆλŠ” νŒ€μ΄ λ¨μœΌλ‘œμ¨μš”.
μƒμƒν•΄λ³΄μ‹œμ£ .
06:33
And in my past experience, some of these teams have become
147
393417
2739
이제 λ§ˆμ§€λ§‰ ν•­λͺ©μœΌλ‘œ κ°€λ³ΌκΉŒμš”.
06:36
some of the highest-performing teams in the company,
148
396180
2504
β€œμ–Έμ œλ‚˜ 해결책을 찾고자 ν•˜λŠ” 마음으둜 λŒ€ν™”μ— μž„ν•˜κΈ°β€œμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:38
just by being able to have those types of conversations.
149
398708
2685
μ œκ°€ κ°€μž₯ λΆ€μ‘±ν•˜λ‹€κ³  λ³΄λŠ” ν•­λͺ©μ΄μ£ .
06:41
Imagine that.
150
401417
1309
06:42
Now let's move on to the last piece of this,
151
402750
2143
06:44
which is always entering a conversation
152
404917
2017
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„ 쀑 μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ λ§Žμ€ 뢄듀이 문제 해결을 μœ„ν•΄ νšŒμ˜μ— μ°Έμ„ν–ˆλŠ”λ°
06:46
with a mindset of wanting to seek a solution.
153
406958
2226
문제λ₯Ό 낱낱이 ν•΄μ²΄ν•˜λŠλΌ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 보내고
06:49
And for me, that's the piece that I see that is missing the most.
154
409208
3351
끝에 κ°€μ„œλŠ”
06:52
How many of you have been in a meeting and you work through a problem,
155
412583
3351
해결책을 μ°ΎκΈ° μœ„ν•œ 회의 일정을 λ‹€μ‹œ μž‘μ•„μ•Ό ν•œλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ κΉ¨λ‹¬μ•˜λ˜κ°€μš”?
06:55
but you realize you've spent the entire meeting hashing through the problem,
156
415958
3643
μ•„λ§ˆλ„ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ μΈμ •ν•˜κ³  싢은 것보닀 더 자주 일어날 κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:59
and then you get to end of it
157
419625
1476
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλ₯Ό μ§„ν–‰ν•˜κ³  있고
07:01
and you need to schedule another meeting just to work through solutions?
158
421125
3458
λ¬Έμ œκ°€ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” κ±Έ μ•ˆλ‹€κ³  ν•΄ 보죠.
문제λ₯Ό ν—€μ³λ‚˜κ°€κ³  μžˆμ§€λ§Œ 끝이 보이지 μ•ŠλŠ” μƒνƒœμ£ .
07:05
Yep, probably happens more than we'd like to admit.
159
425542
2684
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ€ 싀무λ₯Ό 더 잘 μ•„λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ„ μ‚¬λ¬΄μ‹€λ‘œ λΆ€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:08
Let's say you're on a project,
160
428250
1684
μ§„μ§œ λ¬Έμ œκ°€ 뭔지 μ•Œμ•„μ„œ 문제λ₯Ό ν•΄κ²°ν•˜κ²Œ 되길 λ°”λΌλ©΄μ„œμš”.
07:09
and you know it's a problem,
161
429958
1393
07:11
you've been slogging through it with no end in sight.
162
431375
2518
07:13
So you call somebody into the room that's a little bit closer to the work,
163
433917
3559
ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ λ“€μ–΄μ™€μ„œ ν•˜λŠ” λ§μ΄λž€ 이렇죠.
β€œμ΄ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλŠ” μ™„μ „ λ§ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:17
hoping that you can understand what the problems really are
164
437500
2809
이걸 ν•΄κ²°ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•œ 아무 인λ ₯도 μˆ˜μ™„λ„, μžμ›μ΄λ‚˜ κΈ°μˆ λ„ μ—†μ–΄μš”.
07:20
and work through a solution.
165
440333
1393
07:21
But they come into the room and this is what they say:
166
441750
3143
이 일이 λλ‚˜λŠ” κ±Έ 보렀면 ν•œ 백만 λ‹¬λŸ¬λŠ” 써야 ν•  κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.”
07:24
"This project is a disaster.
167
444917
1392
07:26
We do not have the people, the skills,
168
446333
1893
그러곀 사무싀을 λ‚˜κ°€μ£ .
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ„ μœ„ν•΄ μ„€λͺ…λ“œλ¦¬μžλ©΄
07:28
the resources or the technology to get this done,
169
448250
2518
07:30
and we're going to need to spend a million more dollars
170
450792
2642
이것은 β€œλ§ˆμ΄ν¬ λ“œλ‘­β€œμ΄λΌ λΆˆλ¦¬λŠ” μˆœκ°„μ΄μ£ .
그리고 이건 생산적이지 μ•Šμ€ μˆœκ°„λ“€μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:33
before we see it to the end."
171
453458
1435
07:34
And then they leave the room.
172
454917
1476
μ•„κΉŒλŠ” 극단적인 μ˜ˆμ‹œκΈ΄ ν–ˆμ§€λ§Œ
07:36
So just as an FYI,
173
456417
2059
μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ 마이크 λ“œλ‘­μ€ 직μž₯μ—μ„œ 맀일 μΌμ–΄λ‚˜κ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:38
that's what I call a "mic-drop moment,"
174
458500
2143
07:40
and those moments are not productive.
175
460667
2559
해결책을 찾고자 ν•˜λŠ” 마음으둜 λŒ€ν™”μ— μž„ν•˜λŠ” 것이
07:43
Now, I know that was an extreme example,
176
463250
2351
정말 μ€‘μš”ν•œ μ΄μœ μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:45
however mic-drop moments like that happen every day at work.
177
465625
4268
더 쒋은 것은
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ μ‹€ν˜„κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ 해결책을 μ‹€μ œλ‘œ μ΄μ•ΌκΈ°ν•œλ‹€λ©΄
07:49
That's why it's so important that we come into a conversation
178
469917
3017
그것은 선택지λ₯Ό κ³ λ―Όν•΄ λ³Ό μ—¬μœ λ₯Ό λ§Œλ“€μ–΄ μ€λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:52
with a mindset of wanting to seek a solution.
179
472958
2851
07:55
Even better,
180
475833
1393
κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆ μ œκ°€ μ•„κΉŒμ˜ 마이크 λ“œλ‘­ μž₯면을 λ˜κ°μ„ 수 μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
07:57
if you actually bring possible solutions to the conversation,
181
477250
3184
μ €λŠ” λŒ€ν™”κ°€ 이런 μ‹μœΌλ‘œ ν˜λŸ¬κ°€κΈ°λ₯Ό λ°”λΌλ©΄μ„œ 또 κΆŒν•΄λ“œλ¦΄ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
08:00
that then creates the space to start to work through options.
182
480458
3250
β€œμš°λ¦¬κ°€ 인λ ₯μ΄λ‚˜ μˆ˜μ™„, μžμ›μ΄λ‚˜ λ‚΄λΆ€κΈ°μˆ μ΄ 뢀쑱함을 κΉ¨λ‹¬μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:04
So if I could rewind that mic-drop moment,
183
484833
2060
08:06
I would hope and recommend
184
486917
1309
κ·Έλž˜μ„œ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈκ°€ μ΄λ ‡κ²Œ 잘 μ•ˆ 풀리고 μžˆλŠ” κ±°μ§€μš”.
08:08
the conversation go a little bit more like this:
185
488250
2559
제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” μš°λ¦¬κ°€
08:10
"We've come to realize we don't have the people, skills, resources
186
490833
3185
λΉ„μŠ·ν•œ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μž‘μ—…μ„ ν•΄ λ³Έ κ²½ν—˜ μžˆλŠ” μ™ΈλΆ€ 업체λ₯Ό μ΄μš©ν•œλ‹€λ©΄
08:14
or technology in-house.
187
494042
1434
08:15
That's why we're struggling so much on this project.
188
495500
2559
ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλ₯Ό μ™„μˆ˜ν•˜κ³  λͺ©ν‘œλ₯Ό 달성할 수 μžˆμ„ 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.”
08:18
I think if we were to use this external vendor,
189
498083
2268
κ·Έλž˜μš”.
μ‹€ν˜„κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ 해결책은 쒀더 μ‹€ν˜„κ°€λŠ₯ν•œ 선택지λ₯Ό λ§Œλ“€μ£ .
08:20
who we know has this experience and has done this type of work before,
190
500375
3434
08:23
we're going to be able to complete it and meet our goals."
191
503833
2792
μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„ 쀑 λͺ‡ 뢄은 μ•„λ§ˆ 이게 μ΄λ‘ μƒμœΌλ‘œλŠ” ν›Œλ₯­ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ
08:27
There. Possible solutions create possible options.
192
507333
4125
μžμ‹ μ΄ μΌν•˜λŠ” 곳에선 μ ˆλŒ€ μˆ˜μš©λ˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ 거라고 ν•˜μ‹€ κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
κ·Έ 생각을 λ°”κΏ”λ³΄μ‹œλΌκ³  감히 λ§μ”€λ“œλ¦¬κ³  μ‹Άμ–΄μš”.
08:32
Now I know some of you may be saying this is a great concept in theory
193
512542
3434
μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ λ°œμ–Έμ—λŠ” 힘이 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ΄μ§€μš”.
제 생각에 μ—΄μ˜ 아홉 μ •λ„λŠ” κ·Έλž˜μš”.
08:36
but will never happen or be accepted where I work.
194
516000
3143
같은 곡간에 μ΅œμ†Œν•œ ν•œ μ‚¬λžŒλ§Œμ΄λΌλ„ 같은 생각을 ν•˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
08:39
I would challenge you to change your thinking,
195
519167
2226
08:41
because there is power in speaking up.
196
521417
2642
λ°œμ–Έμ΄ 이루어진 μˆœκ°„μ€
μ§„μ§œ λŒ€ν™”κ°€ μ‹œμž‘λ˜λŠ” μˆœκ°„μ΄ 될 κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:44
Nine times out of 10, if I'm thinking it,
197
524083
2018
08:46
I bet at least one other person in the room is having that same thought.
198
526125
3434
제 아듀을 λ³΄μ„Έμš”.
κ·Έ μ•„μ΄λŠ” λͺ¨μΈ λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ 역학을 λ°”κΏ€ 수 μžˆμ—ˆμ£ .
08:49
And the beauty is that once it's said,
199
529583
1976
κ·Έμ € λ‚˜μ„œμ„œ μ–˜κΈ°ν•  μš©κΈ°μ™€ 당당함을 κ°€μ§μœΌλ‘œμ¨μš”.
08:51
that's when the real conversations start to happen.
200
531583
2459
μ΅œμƒμ˜ 쑰직은 λͺ¨λ“  μ§κΈ‰μ˜ μ‚¬λžŒμ΄
08:54
Look at my son.
201
534750
1309
08:56
I believe he was able to change and entire group dynamic
202
536083
2643
μ–΄λ €μš΄ 주제둜 씨름할 용기λ₯Ό κ°–κ³  μžˆλŠ” μ‘°μ§μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:58
just because he had the courage and the confidence to speak up.
203
538750
3059
09:01
The best organizations are full of people at all levels
204
541833
3935
μ—΄λ¦° 마음과 μ†”μ§ν•¨μœΌλ‘œμ¨
μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 우리 슀슀둜뿐만 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌ
09:05
that have that same courage to tackle the tough topics.
205
545792
4351
우리의 쑰직이 μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ λŒ€ν™”,
κ°€μž₯ ν•„μš”ν•œ λŒ€ν™”λ₯Ό ν•  수 μžˆλ„λ‘ λ„μšΈ 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:10
And by being open and honest,
206
550167
1976
λ»”ν•œ 말일 μˆ˜λ„ μžˆμ§€λ§Œ,
09:12
not only are we helping ourselves
207
552167
1767
이런 κ³³λ“€μ΄μ•Όλ§λ‘œ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ μΌν•˜κ³  싢은 곳이 μ•„λ‹Œκ°€μš”?
09:13
but also our organizations to have these conversations.
208
553958
3560
κ°μ‚¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
09:17
And those are the ones that are needed the most.
209
557542
2239
09:19
Call me Captain Obvious,
210
559805
1463
09:21
but isn't that the kind of place that you want work in?
211
561292
2708
09:25
Thank you.
212
565125
1417
이 μ›Ήμ‚¬μ΄νŠΈ 정보

이 μ‚¬μ΄νŠΈλŠ” μ˜μ–΄ ν•™μŠ΅μ— μœ μš©ν•œ YouTube λ™μ˜μƒμ„ μ†Œκ°œν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ „ 세계 졜고의 μ„ μƒλ‹˜λ“€μ΄ κ°€λ₯΄μΉ˜λŠ” μ˜μ–΄ μˆ˜μ—…μ„ 보게 될 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 각 λ™μ˜μƒ νŽ˜μ΄μ§€μ— ν‘œμ‹œλ˜λŠ” μ˜μ–΄ μžλ§‰μ„ 더블 ν΄λ¦­ν•˜λ©΄ κ·Έκ³³μ—μ„œ λ™μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. λΉ„λ””μ˜€ μž¬μƒμ— 맞좰 μžλ§‰μ΄ μŠ€ν¬λ‘€λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ˜κ²¬μ΄λ‚˜ μš”μ²­μ΄ μžˆλŠ” 경우 이 문의 양식을 μ‚¬μš©ν•˜μ—¬ λ¬Έμ˜ν•˜μ‹­μ‹œμ˜€.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7