English Expert Shares How To Become Fluent Faster

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Today I'm talking to Kris.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
00:01
Welcome, Kris.
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ํ™˜์˜ํ•ด์š”, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค.
00:02
You're an English teacher.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜์–ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด์—์š”.
00:05
You've created many training programs,ย  you've opened language schools,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์œก ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ , ์–ดํ•™ ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์—ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
00:08
you've helped thousands ofย  students around the world.
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์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:11
So tell us, in your opinion, what makes anย  English learner successful or unsuccessful?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต ๋˜๋Š” ์‹คํŒจ ์š”์ธ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
00:20
Good question.
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์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ.
00:22
So for me, a successful English learnerย  is someone who's open to change.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์— ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”์— ์—ด๋ ค ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
Because so much of learning a language is aboutย  changing something that you believe right First.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋จผ์ € ์ž์‹ ์ด ์˜ณ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:36
You believe that language works in a certain way.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:39
And when you learn your first language, youย  might think that everything works that way.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:45
So when you learn a new language,ย  there's a lot of new things to learn.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ, ์ƒˆ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:48
And so some people are ready forย  that, and some people aren't.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:53
And I think that the people who areย  ready for for changing something aboutย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
00:58
how they think that those peopleย  do better in in English courses.
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์˜์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค์—์„œ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ์ž˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
Interesting.
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด.
01:05
So do you mean, for example,ย  if they're in their language,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
01:09
they have a certain grammatical structure or theย ย 
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ํŠน์ • ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ตฌ์กฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
01:13
way they pronounce sounds, they need to beย  open to learning how it's done in English.
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์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ์Œํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
01:18
Is that what you mean?
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์ด๊ฒŒ ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ?
01:19
Or something else?
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ?
01:21
Yeah, yeah, this is like directlyย  about about the language.
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์˜ˆ, ์˜ˆ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ง์ ‘์ ์ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
This is definitely true and I think it's true inย  in maybe a a broader sense at the same time thatย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ฉฐ,
01:35
when when we're approaching learning a language,ย  it's actually an identity level question.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ๊ณผ ๋™์‹œ์— ๋” ๋„“์€ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:42
It's about who we are.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
And so you have to be open to changing aย  little bit about how you see yourself, right?
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”์— โ€‹โ€‹์—ด๋ ค ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
01:49
Like, so those sounds in in oneย  language carrying over to another,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ „๋‹ฌ๋˜๋ฉด
01:56
you just believe that that sound is alwaysย  that made that way or by by forming,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ˜•์„ฑ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
02:02
by shaping your mouth that way orย  right putting those sounds together.
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์ž…์„ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:06
So you have to admit to yourself that oh, there'sย  another way and and I wasn't doing that before.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์— ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
02:14
You have to admit that you didn't doย  something before that now you have to do so.
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ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:20
A person who's very stubbornย  doesn't like to do that.
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๊ณ ์ง‘์ด ์„ผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
That's a very good point.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
02:26
Yes, you have to be very open.
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์˜ˆ, ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
You have to be willing to admit you'reย  wrong, willing to identify your mistakes,ย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์ด ํ‹€๋ ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ์ธ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์‹๋ณ„ํ•˜๊ณ ,
02:33
willing to accept failure, learn from failure.
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์‹คํŒจ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ , ์‹คํŒจ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:37
And in your experience, theย  students you've worked with,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ƒ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
02:40
is that something that comes easy to them or isย  that something you see them really struggle with?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
02:46
Some people get it faster than others.
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:49
That's why I kind of characterizeย  it as openness to change.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
And so I think that's just someย  people naturally are are moreย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋”
03:00
open and and some are less andย  it just makes it a lot easier.
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๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ด์–ด์„œ ์ผ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:03
But yeah, I think that someone can can work onย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์—ฐ๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
03:06
that skill and it's not like a it's notย  a static thing, it changes itself so.
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๊ณ ์ •๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ €์ ˆ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
03:13
So over time, I think that people asย  they learn the language, they start toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚ ์ˆ˜๋ก ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด์„œ
03:20
to think of it this way, that it's that it'sย  like something that's separate from them.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋งˆ์น˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ๋ณ„๊ฐœ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
03:23
You might even see, maybe you'veย  seen with some of your students howย ย 
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
03:26
they might have a different voiceย  when they're speaking a differentย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์•˜์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
03:30
language or or maybe you've done thisย  when you speak a different language.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:34
For me, studying Spanish, I saw that like, Iย  would always make my voice go a higher register.
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์ €๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ œ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์Œ์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
And speaking Russian, I was alwaysย  trying to push it a lot lower.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋” ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ฐ’์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
And it was just like mimicking the sounds that Iย  thought I heard from the from the other language.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ‰๋‚ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
But I found that sometimes for students,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
03:58
this happens when they kind of feelย  like there are two different people.
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์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚„ ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
Like, I'm this person when I speak this languageย  and I'm this person when I speak my language.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ณ , ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
And so I try to help them bring thoseย  two things together because you can'tย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๋„๋ก ๋•์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
04:19
really have those two people your yourย  first person who you really think youย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ
04:23
are is going to fight against this thingย  that's that's not really who you are.
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์ด ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งž์„œ ์‹ธ์šธ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
04:27
So we try to integrate or bring togetherย  those two those two parts so the personย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋‘ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
04:35
can have the identity, can feel likeย  they are an English speaker actually.
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์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:40
So really good point, becauseย  a lot of my students, they willย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
04:45
never label themselves as just an English speaker.
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:50
They won't say, oh, I speak English.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "์•„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•ด์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
Even if they've been living in an Englishย  speaking country for years and years,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•„์™”๋”๋ผ๋„
04:57
they'll always just say, oh,ย  I'm I'm learning, I'm a learner,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ '์•„, ๋‚œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์ค‘์ด์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:00
And although I don't think there's anything wrongย  with saying you're a learner, at some point you doย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์–ด๋Š ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ๋Š”
05:06
just have to say I'm an English speaker, I speakย  English and just accept that as your identity.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:13
I I agree.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:14
I see that with my students too.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณธ๋‹ค. ์Œ
05:16
Mm hmm.
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05:16
And is there anything practical, any specific tipsย ย 
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ํ .
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ผ๋Š” ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋„๋ก ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ํŒ์ด๋‚˜
05:19
or advice or strategies that you canย  share to help someone who's currentlyย ย 
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์กฐ์–ธ์ด๋‚˜ ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
05:23
struggling with that try to embrace theย  the identity of being an English speaker?
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?
05:31
Yeah, I think, you know, Iย  I think that it ties intoย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด
05:37
how you can connect learning withย  real life, not just with language.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ•™์Šต์„ ์‹ค์ œ ์ƒํ™œ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:43
So it's like if you're going toย  learn a language then you needย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๋ฉด ํ•ด๋‹น ์–ธ์–ด
05:46
to be able to apply it somewhere orย  else you're going to lose it, right.
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๋ฅผ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ์ ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:49
The the old rule, use it or lose it.
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์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ทœ์น™์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์žƒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:53
So I think that's putting it intoย  use is really the best way becauseย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
06:00
it doesn't have to, like it's not supposedย  to completely change who you are, right?
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋„ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
06:04
That's that would be a little extreme.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ข€ ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ .
06:09
It's it's just a tool that you use.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋„๊ตฌ์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:11
So putting you in the situationย  where you have to pull that toolย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ๋„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ
06:15
out-of-the-box and and put it to use, itย  lets you see how it fits into your life.
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์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊บผ๋‚ด์„œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋†“์ด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด ์ด ๋„๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์‚ถ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ์šฉ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
So, so yeah so I mean simple things likeย  if you, if you have a favorite activityย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์š”, ์˜ˆ, ์ œ ๋ง์€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ํ™œ๋™์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
06:28
maybe like maybe when you're driving the theย  classic example like driving the car you'reย ย 
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์ž๋™์ฐจ ์šด์ „๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณ ์ „์ ์ธ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ์šด์ „ํ•  ๋•Œ
06:33
listening to a podcast or an audio bookย  or a YouTube video or something, right.
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ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋””์˜ค๋ถ ๋˜๋Š” YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
06:38
And so you're like driving time,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์šด์ „ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:43
now is English time or shower timeย  is another good one or something.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์˜์–ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ณ  ์ƒค์›Œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:49
I think these, these orย  cooking is another good one.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ €๊ฒƒ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋„ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚ด
06:53
I think these situations where you haveย  to get out of your conscious mind and youย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์˜์‹์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜
07:00
go into some repetitive action that's autonomous.
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์ž์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์ ์ธ ํ–‰๋™์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:04
If you can try to put a language there,ย  then you're kind of absorbing a lot inย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ • ์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:12
the process of doing this for forย  me, it's Spanish in the shower.
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์ƒค์›Œ ์ค‘์ธ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:17
I always listen to Spanish music in the showerย  and I'm listening, trying to catch the sounds.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒค์›Œํ•  ๋•Œ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํฌ์ฐฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:23
And yeah, that that's that's one easyย  thing that I think people can do.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‰ฌ์šด ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:29
Yeah.
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07:29
So just finding those times in theirย  day where they can add in Englishย ย 
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์‘.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ผ์ƒ ์ƒํ™œ์— ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„
07:34
to their everyday routines,ย  that's really great advice.
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์ •๋ง ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:38
And what about the students you'veย  worked with when they come to you?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ–ˆ๋˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์™”์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:42
Do they have this one thing they'reย  struggling with or they're frustrated with?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ขŒ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
07:47
And what is that and how doย  you help them overcome it?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋„๋ก ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋„์™€์ฃผ๋‚˜์š”?
07:51
Yeah, usually that is speaking.
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์‘, ๋ณดํ†ต ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์ด์ง€.
07:54
They say I don't have anybody to speak with.
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์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
07:58
And so in the beginning what I decided to do wasย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
08:03
I would just teach a lessonย  every day at the same time.
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๋งค์ผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์—…๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:07
And I did that for like 40 days in a rowย  and then decided this is kind of extreme.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” 40์ผ ์—ฐ์†์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข€ ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํŒ๋‹จํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๋”
08:15
I need a couple days off sometimes.
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๋ฉฐ์น  ์‰ฌ์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:17
And so then we started to bring onย  more teachers and more teachers.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ์™€ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
So now we have a a a place where we haveย  24/7 a person can just log in and and speak.
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฐ์ค‘๋ฌดํœด 24์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋กœ๊ทธ์ธํ•˜์—ฌ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
So this is, this is how we've triedย  to to solve that problem basically.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ค‘์—๋Š”
08:33
I saw that there were a lot of different programsย  and apps and things out there, but speaking takesย ย 
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ๊ณผ ์•ฑ, ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š”
08:42
a lot of human power, and it seemed likeย  there weren't a lot of options for that.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ํž˜์ด ๋งŽ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜ต์…˜์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:46
So that's when I I set that up.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ค์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:49
But when I set that up, that was weย  had to teach people how to use Zoom.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ค์ •ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ Zoom ์‚ฌ์šฉ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:54
Nobody knew what Zoom was.
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Zoom์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
Nobody had been using that.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:57
So there were a lot of little thingsย  like that that came up along the way.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ž‘์€ ์ผ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์ƒ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
09:03
But but yeah, for speaking, I thinkย  it's just there are a lot of peopleย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
09:07
out there and you can find people toย  practice speaking with and there areย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
09:11
a lot of good teachers thatย  that can help with that too.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋„ ๋„์›€์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:14
And so finding something that works forย  you and someone you like practicing withย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งž๋Š” ์ผ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ
09:21
who can help you, I think that's really important.
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๋„์›€์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
That's a great point and I echo that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฃ๋Š”
09:27
I would say the number one frustrationย  I hear as well is with speaking skills.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ถˆ๋งŒ์€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:32
And sometimes my my students, they act like it'sย  difficult to find someone to speak English with,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ–‰๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
whereas in my mind, I think, but we're everywhere,ย  native speakers are everywhere around the world.
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์€ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:45
So, aside from using your program,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์™ธ์—๋Š”
09:48
maybe they don't have the financialย  resources or the ability to.
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์žฌ์ •์  ์ž์›์ด๋‚˜ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:51
How can students find, connect withย  and and just speak in English withย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
09:57
native speakers or just otherย  English learners practicing?
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด๋‚˜ ์—ฐ์Šต ์ค‘์ธ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ , ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ , ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
10:02
It's a good question.
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์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:04
So there's lots of groups, forums and andย  places online to to meet other people.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ํฌ๋Ÿผ, ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์žฅ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:10
We set up a a group has likeย  400,000 people in there now.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ 400,000๋ช… ์ •๋„์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์„ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
10:15
But but yeah, I always see the the funniestย  thing for me is when I go in onto Facebookย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ Facebook
10:20
or another platform and I see peopleย  commenting like who wants to speak with me?
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์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ”Œ๋žซํผ์— ์ ‘์†ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๋ž‘ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด?์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ๋‹ฌ ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:24
Who wants to speak with me.
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๋‚˜์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ.
10:26
So that's not so successful.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
And so, so a lot of times peopleย  kind of think that it should beย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ
10:32
either that easy or or nothingย  at all, all or nothing maybe.
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์‰ฝ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ „ํ˜€, ์ „ํ˜€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:37
And so like leaving a comment everywhere, I needย  a speaking partner, it's it's not going to work.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์ €๊ธฐ ๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๋“ฏ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ƒ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•ˆ ๋˜๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
10:42
You're going to find somebody maybe who will speakย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ
10:45
with you one time and they'reย  not going to be that serious.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:48
So it's more about finding seriousย  speaking partners because you know,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ
10:53
and that's that's the problem with aย  lot of the apps that kind of connectย ย 
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10:56
you to a random person and you'reย  supposed to have speaking practice.
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ž„์˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์•ฑ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
The the issue with that is, and thisย  comes kind of back to my whole philosophyย ย 
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์–ด ๊ต์œก์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‚˜์˜ ์ „์ฒด ์ฒ ํ•™์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๋ฐ
11:06
of of teaching English, is that it's aย  communication is built on a relationship.
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, ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์€ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:11
So if I only see you once every year, thenย  the conversation isn't going to go very far.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ 1๋…„์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
11:18
We're always going to say, hi, how are you?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ โ€œ์•ˆ๋…•, ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด?โ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:21
I'm Kris.
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์ €๋Š” ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:22
Is that a lot of students,ย  That's all they can say.Kris
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ํ•™์ƒ์ด ๊ทธ ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋งŽ๋‚˜์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค
11:24
Nice to meet you.
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๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ€์›Œ์š”.
11:25
My name is Kris and I'm from the United States.
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์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Kris์ด๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:30
And then that's it.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:31
And and they've had thatย  conversation 50, * 100 times.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ 50๋ฒˆ, * 100๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:34
They've done that a lot.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:35
So the so you have to get past that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€๋‚˜์ณ์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:37
And the way to get past that is to have aย  longer relationship, a real relationship.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋” ๊ธด ๊ด€๊ณ„, ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:42
So I think that a student'sย  relationship with a teacherย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๊ณผ ๊ต์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€
11:46
should model a real life relationship thatย  they're going to have out in the world.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ์‹ค์ œ ๊ด€๊ณ„์˜ ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:51
So it's going to progress through stages.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:53
You're going to start more formal and then you'reย ย 
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์ข€ ๋” ๊ฒฉ์‹์„ ์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋” ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ
11:57
going to get less formal asย  you know each other better.
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๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋œ ๊ฒฉ์‹์„ ์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
12:00
You're going to talk about more topics, right?
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜์‹ค ํ…๋ฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
12:02
So, So if you just go online and justย  try to find a random person like that,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์— ์ ‘์†ํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌด์ž‘์œ„๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
12:07
then it's not going to work.
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์†Œ์šฉ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:09
So it should be based around someย  kind of mutual interest, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ด์ต์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์ฃ  ?
12:12
So you asked about other learners.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™์Šต์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:14
So if it's other learners,ย  this is the issue I see.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ผ๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:18
And they need to find a common interest.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณตํ†ต ๊ด€์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:19
If it's with native speakers, then like,ย ย 
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜๋ผ๋ฉด
12:23
it's not going to just be interesting forย  that person to just talk with you probably.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
12:28
So again, it's like, what's the common interest?
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณตํ†ต ๊ด€์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:30
What's the goal?
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๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:32
And probably that brings us backย  to another big issue with students,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:36
right Is is what is the real reasonย  that you're learning English?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:41
And why do you bring that up?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”?
12:42
In your experience, what is it for students?
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋น„์ถ”์–ด ๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:46
What's the real reason thatย  you you hear about your fromย ย 
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12:49
your students of why they're learning English?
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์ด์œ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:52
Usually when we ask them, though, they're gonnaย  say something like to speak better or to like,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋ณดํ†ต ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ฉด ๋” ์ž˜ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ์•„์ฃผ
13:00
it's very like it, Like it's not a joke,ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋†๋‹ด์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ,
13:03
but like, this is directly whatย  they're thinking about, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
13:06
And it it it's sort of about what'sย  the want and what's the need.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:12
So I want to speak more fluently.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜
13:14
I want to connect with moreย  people around the world.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
13:17
I want to access more information.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:20
I want to get a better job and allย  of those things are just really likeย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€
13:28
symptoms of them not finding comfort inย  themselves of of using this thing right.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์ผ์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์œ„์•ˆ์„ ์ฐพ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ฆ์ƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:38
So maybe because of the level,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ˆ˜์ค€ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,ย ย  ๊ทธ
13:40
like they feel like they don't have theย  level of skill to do it or the experience.
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์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:45
Maybe they feel intimidated by it.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฒ์„ ๋จน์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
But but yeah, it's usuallyย  something deeper, right?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๋ณดํ†ต์€ ์ข€ ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
13:54
And and so usually they're talkingย  about these things that don't reallyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
14:02
get at like how they're going toย  use English, like get a better job.
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:07
This is, this is a good example, at least like.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
But thinking that English itselfย  will get you the better job is wrong,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜์–ด ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:16
because you still have to useย  it somehow to get the job.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:20
So I like to.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค.
14:21
Sorry, sorry, it's talking too much.
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๋ฏธ์•ˆ, ๋ฏธ์•ˆ, ๋ง์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•„.
14:23
No, no, it's great.
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์•„๋‡จ, ์•„๋‡จ, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
14:24
I was just going to ask you to clarify that point.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ ์ ์„ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:27
So instead of saying I want to get aย  better job because that seems like aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ด
14:31
very natural thing to say,ย  I certainly hear it a lot.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:35
It seems normal.
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์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:36
If I heard it So I want to get a betterย  job, What would be a a better phrasing orย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ ,
14:42
an alternative to that that wouldย  be more helpful for that student?
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๊ทธ ํ•™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋” ์ข‹์€ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด๋‚˜ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
14:47
Yeah, I think I want to get a better job.
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์‘, ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
14:48
Is a good like it is a good statement.
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์ข‹์€ ์ง„์ˆ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:51
But I want to speak better or I want to be.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.
14:54
I want to be fluent, for example,ย  we hear that a lot, right?
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ €๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ์ฃ ?
14:57
I want to be fluent.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.
14:58
This one isn't so great becauseย  like how do you define that?
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์ด๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ •์˜ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
15:02
Like what do you what is fluent to you and andย  what level of fluency do you need for what?
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
15:08
And so it's very ambiguous, right?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ชจํ˜ธํ•œ๋ฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
15:12
And so it's an unattainable goal.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:17
Get a better job, get a, get aย  better job, higher paying job.
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๋” ๋†’์€ ๊ธ‰์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป์œผ์„ธ์š”.
15:19
It's a it has at least the clearย  result that you can get, right?
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์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์•„๋‹Œ๊ฐ€์š”?
15:25
But I think that the the core thingย  here is like thinking, thinking.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ, ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:29
So the point I was trying to make,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์š”์ ์€,
15:31
which I guess I didn't make very clearly,ย  was like language as the goal in itself.
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์•„์ฃผ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์–ธ์–ด ๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:40
If the person says that that language is the goal,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
15:44
then that's usually not the case in in myย  experience that usually there's another goal.
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๋‚ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:49
There has to be something else.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:51
And I like to compare language toย  money in the way that it's a tool.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋„๊ตฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ˆ์— ๋น„์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
15:57
And like nobody just says, likeย  I want to have better money,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ˆ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ,
16:05
you you want you want more units of it orย  you want to use it to buy something else.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์›ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ๋ˆ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:13
So by itself, it's not worth anything.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๋กœ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด ๊ฐ€์น˜๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:16
So language is kind of like that too.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
16:18
It's like, what are you going to use it for?
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๋งˆ์น˜, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฌด์—‡์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
16:20
You can have lots of words or not a lot of words,ย  and you can still use them to do different things.
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๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:27
So it's the emphasis on whatย  you can do with the skill.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘ก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:31
I want to speak better English, soย  I can get a better job, so I canย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•ด์„œ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ ,
16:39
provide a better life for my family,ย  help my parents support my community.
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๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์‚ถ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ์ œ ์ง€์—ญ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋•๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:44
It's getting to the deeper motivation behind it.
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๊ทธ ๋’ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋™๊ธฐ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:49
Yeah, yeah.
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์‘, ์‘. ๋”
16:50
The deeper motivation, Yeah.
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๊นŠ์€ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
16:52
Yeah, for sure.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
16:53
And for all the students listening,ย  it's something you should consider,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:56
because being motivated to improve yourย  English is one of the reasons that you'llย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€
17:03
either spend the time or you won'tย  spend the time improving your English.
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์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:09
And actually, Speaking of time, that isย  something I hear a lot from my students.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:13
They say, Jennifer, I need to improve my English,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:16
I want to improve my English,ย  but I don't have time.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:21
Is that something you'veย  experienced with your students?
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•ด ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
17:23
And how do you help them in a busy world that weย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”์œ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฑ…์ž„๋„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€๋ฐ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
17:28
live in when they have so manyย  other responsibilities as well?
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?
17:32
Yeah, I think one of the things we talked aboutย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ด์ „์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
17:34
before which was combining Englishย  with an activity that you already do.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™œ๋™๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š”
17:39
I I feel like this is a good wayย  to to tackle not having time.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:45
So you combine these activities, butย  that's not always possible and that'sย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™œ๋™์„ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ๋•Œ์™€๋Š”
17:50
like a a different kind of learningย  than when you're focused, right.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:54
So.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ.
17:56
So how do you really find the time for it?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋‹ค๋ฅธ
18:01
I would say it it's just like everything else,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:03
right if we're if we're if we're going toย  talk about productivity and time management.
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์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
18:09
So it's it's about really identifyingย  which which blocks of time are not beingย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
18:17
used correctly now and and fitting it in there.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋ธ”๋ก์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹๋ณ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:21
This can be challenging for students becauseย  you have to sometimes balance your your yourย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜
18:28
timetable with a teacher's timetable or withย  another student or or something else and soย ย 
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์‹œ๊ฐ„ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ต์‚ฌ์˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ํ‘œ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™์ƒ ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:36
that can be a challenge and so it's it's reallyย  about prioritization at the end of the day right.
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์ด๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:41
If if this is a priority then it willย  take place of something lower priority.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋ผ๋ฉด ๋” ๋‚ฎ์€ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฒด๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:48
And I think that it's also important toย  note the cyclical nature that the cycle,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด์˜ ์ˆœํ™˜, ์ฆ‰ ์ˆœํ™˜์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ˆœํ™˜์  ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์„ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:56
the circle of of English, right.
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18:58
Because it's it's like a lot ofย  people compare it to going to the gym,ย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
19:03
working out exercising or taking a shower.
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์šด๋™ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ƒค์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:07
Like you take a shower one time, you're clean.
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์ƒค์›Œ๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊นจ๋—ํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:11
That doesn't mean you're clean forever.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜์›ํžˆ ๊นจ๋—ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:13
The same is true of of an English lesson.
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์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋‹ค.
19:15
So you take the English lesson one time,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด
19:18
you you got some new information you gotย  added fluency but that doesn't mean you'reย ย 
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ์˜์›ํžˆ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ
19:23
going to be fluent forever and andย  you'll lose it if you don't use it.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:26
So so yeah you have to find the time as farย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ™œ๋™์— ๋น„ํ•ด ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:30
as prioritization against otherย  activities you're already doing.
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19:34
But you could.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์— ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:35
You could connect thoseย  activities like we said before,ย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™œ๋™์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ,
19:39
but then you also need to rememberย  that it has to repeat, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ๋„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
19:42
So you don't want to fall into theย  trap where you do it a couple timesย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€
19:47
and then you come back three monthsย  later and then start from zero again.
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3๊ฐœ์›” ํ›„์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•จ์ •์— ๋น ์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:52
Excellent points you provided.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํฌ์ธํŠธ. ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
19:54
I really love your use it orย  lose it for everyone watching.
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์žƒ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:58
That's a proverb in English.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋œ ์†๋‹ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:00
Use it or lose it.
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์ด๊ฑธ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์žƒ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜.
20:01
I don't know if it translates into otherย  languages, but I'm sure you get the sense of it.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋˜๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์…จ์œผ๋ฆฌ๋ผ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:05
If you don't use your English,ย  you will lose your English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
So you have to like Kris said, that cycle.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ Kris๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•œ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ดํด์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:12
You don't just shower once andย  expect to be clean forever.
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ์ƒค์›Œํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜์›ํžˆ ๊นจ๋—ํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:15
So the same thing with English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:17
I really love that analogy.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋น„์œ ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:18
Thank you for sharing that.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:21
No, Kris, you live in Florida.
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์— ์‚ด์•„์š”. ์–ธ์–ด์  ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค
20:24
Can you tell everyone about the diversity ofย  Florida from a language perspective and whatย ย 
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์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด์  ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์—์„œ์˜ ์ƒํ™œ์ด ์–ด๋–ค์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
20:31
life in Florida is like for you fromย  a diversity of language perspective?
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20:36
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
20:38
It's it's a really interesting place to live.
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์‚ด๊ธฐ์— ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ณณ์ด์—์š”.
20:42
The part of Florida where I live,ย  it's mostly English speaking.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค ์ง€์—ญ์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:46
There's still a lot of Spanish speakers,ย ย 
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์•„์ง๋„ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:48
but if you go to some parts of Miami,ย  then the majority is Spanish speaking.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งˆ์ด์• ๋ฏธ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:54
So you can walk into shops andย  people are only speaking Spanish.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ƒ์ ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:58
I I mean I can find those places hereย  too, but it's harder to find them.
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:02
But Spanish is definitely the the major secondย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์ œ2
21:06
language or or just a secondย  major language of Florida.
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์–ธ์–ด์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ œ2 ์ฃผ์š” ์–ธ์–ด์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:11
So that's a really interestingย  environment to be in.
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์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
21:15
And I'm a parent, I have two daughters.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ์ด๊ณ  ๋‘ ๋”ธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:18
And so it's really interesting to see how familiesย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด
21:23
raise their children who whoย  speak more than one language.
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:28
So you know, some parentsย  who are Spanish speakers,ย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋Š”
21:32
they moved to the United States,ย  they both parents speak English.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋‘ ๋ถ€๋ชจ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:35
Their child goes to school and andย  maybe will struggle learning English,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ž๋…€๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:39
but some of them will say like, oh, Iย  want my child just to speak English.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” '์•„, ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:44
I want them to.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž€๋‹ค.
21:45
So English is a real big thing for them.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:48
Some parents maybe don't evenย  teach their children Spanish.
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋Š” ์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
21:52
They speak Spanish, but they don't teach theirย  children Spanish and they say only English.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋กœ๋งŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:56
We just want them to speak English and then some.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:59
Some families teach themย  both and children speak both.
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ค‘ ์–ธ์–ด, ์ด์ค‘ ์–ธ์–ด ์ž๋…€ ์–‘์œก์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
22:02
It's interesting to see people's choices,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์„ ํƒ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜ ์„ ํƒ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:05
parents choices about raisingย  bilingual, bilingual children.
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22:10
Apart from that, there's a lot of I don't liveย  too far from from the city here, Tampa, FL.
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๊ทธ ์™ธ์—๋„ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค ์ฃผ ํƒฌํŒŒ๋ผ๋Š” ๋„์‹œ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋ฉ€์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ณณ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:19
And there are a decent number of diasporas groupsย  of people from other countries who live here.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ ์ถœ์‹ ์˜ ๋””์•„์Šคํฌ๋ผ ๊ทธ๋ฃน๋„ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:27
So you can hear.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:30
My wife is Russian, so I I pick up on Russianย  all over the place when we're walking around.
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์ œ ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ด์–ด์„œ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ ๋•Œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์ €๊ธฐ์„œ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:35
But but a lot of other languages too, yeah.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:39
Well, thanks for sharing that.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:40
And the reason I asked.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:41
Because I wanted students getย  some perspective of diversity.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:46
And in North America because a lot ofย  students tell me they are very afraidย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ๋ฏธ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
22:51
of using their English with native speakers.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋‘๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:54
Particularly because they think nativeย  speakers are going to judge them.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:58
Judge them because of their accents, their grammarย  mistakes, their lack of vocabulary and how theyย ย 
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์–ต์–‘, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์‹ค์ˆ˜, ์–ดํœ˜ ๋ถ€์กฑ,
23:04
sound, and just those feelings really prevent themย  from wanting to interact with native speakers.
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๋ฐœ์Œ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋“ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ์ • ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:10
So is that something that yourย  students have experienced?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
23:14
And then how would you help them overcome that?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋„๋ก ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋„์™€์ฃผ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
23:18
Yeah, yeah, there's the what did I say?
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์‘, ์‘, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์ง€?
23:20
There's this phrase that I that I like toย  say to characterize this Ah, it's so strangeย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํŠน์ง•์ง“๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„, ์ •๋ง ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:27
that people who are learning a language, theyย  they learn all of the rules of the language soย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ
23:34
that they can speak and sound like the peopleย  who forgot all of the rules of the language.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๊ทœ์น™.
23:42
That's.
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23:42
A really good point.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:44
So students are here studying rules, studyingย  the books and trying to speak correctly,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฑ…์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ , ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
23:50
but and trying to speak like a native whenย  the native people completely forgot the rules,ย ย 
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์›์ฃผ๋ฏผ์ด ๊ทœ์น™์„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
23:56
don't care about the rules, and they'reย  not thinking about the rules at all.
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๊ทœ์น™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์‹ ๊ฒฝ ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๊ทœ์น™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์กฐ๊ธˆ๋„. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
23:59
So it's really like a languageย  learner thing to even think thatย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์™€ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:04
you're that that someone's going toย  care that you made a mistake, right.
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24:09
Because the the first pointย  is you're just speaking.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์š”์ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:11
It's just communication.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:14
And then you have to consider how many nativeย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ด์ „์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ๋ช‡ ๋ช…์ธ์ง€ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:17
speakers that you meet have neverย  studied any other language before.
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.
24:21
So they don't even knowย  what they're talking about.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์กฐ์ฐจ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:25
So you you speak to them and theyย  might say, oh, you, what did you say?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ' ์•„, ๋„ˆ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:28
Oh, I didn't understand.
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์•„, ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:30
They just don't have any experienceย  talking to foreign people and theyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์™ธ๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์—†๊ณ 
24:33
don't have any experience with different accents.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ต์–‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์—†์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:35
If if a person from the other side of the countryย  came to that, they would hear that person say,ย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋Œ€์ชฝ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์˜ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด '
24:40
oh you have an accent, they would say theย  same thing to a person who's a native speaker.
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์•„, ์–ต์–‘์ด ์žˆ๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ , ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
24:44
So a lot of times non-native studentsย  who are learning English to come toย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋น„์›์–ด๋ฏผ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
24:51
United States for example, they'llย  get discouraged, upset, frustratedย ย 
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24:57
about about this that people might hear theirย  accent and and ask them to repeat something.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚™๋‹ดํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™”๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
25:05
God forbid someone asked me to repeat something.
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์‹ ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋„๋ก ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธˆ์ง€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:09
Native speakers ask other nativeย  speakers to repeat stuff all the time.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:12
It's it's not an issue.
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
25:15
But yeah, so I so I think especially theย  rules when you when, when you're reallyย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทœ์น™์ด
25:21
focused on rules and being correct, then it canย  really hold you back because you're thinkingย ย 
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๊ทœ์น™๊ณผ ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ๋•Œ
25:30
about the speech and and the language a lotย  more than the people who you're talking to.
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๋ง๊ณผ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทœ์น™์ด ๋ฐฉํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค.
25:36
I'm glad you said that.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ป์š”.
25:37
It's such a great pointย  for all of you to remember.
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์ด๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:41
You spend a lot of time interacting withย  English teachers, but just remember outย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์™€ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์†Œ๋น„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
25:46
there in the real world, you're talking to a aย  regular person who is not an English teacher.
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ํ˜„์‹ค ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
25:53
They know nothing about grammar rules,ย  although they speak the language.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
25:59
Yeah, and I think most people are likeย  that, even in other languages too.
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ์–ด๋ ค์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
26:04
You kind of learn the grammar and theย  rules when you're when you're young,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทœ์น™์€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€๋งŒ,
26:07
but you learn how to speak fromย  your parents and your environment.
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๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด๋‚˜ ์ฃผ๋ณ€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:12
And so those rules wereย  kind of applied afterwards.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ทœ์น™์€ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์ ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:17
And that's a whole thing I think.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:19
I think it's really a good ideaย  for learners to to learn aboutย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€
26:24
descriptive grammar and prescriptive grammar.
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์„œ์ˆ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•๊ณผ ๊ทœ์ •๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:28
Basically, two types of rules, right?
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๊ทœ์น™์ด ์žˆ์ฃ ?
26:31
Are these the rules that theyย  told me that I have to use,ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ ๊ทœ์น™์ธ๊ฐ€์š”,
26:33
or are these rules to explain why people do this?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทœ์น™์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
26:41
It's it's something that a lot ofย  students don't ever think about.
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๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:44
They just say book rule.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ฑ… ๊ทœ์น™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:47
This person said it like the book that's good.
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์ด ๋ถ„์€ ์ฑ…์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
26:49
Didn't say like the book that's bad.
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์ฑ…์ด ๋‚˜์˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:51
That's not really how language works.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
Yeah, you're right.
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26:54
It's it's everyone watching.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‹น์‹  ๋ง์ด ๋งž์•„.
๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:56
It's so much more flexible in the real world,ย ย 
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ํ˜„์‹ค ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์œ ์—ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋ฌผ๋ก 
26:59
which we both try to share withย  you in our lessons, of course.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ˆ˜์—…์—์„œ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:04
Now, Kris, you mentioned thatย  you you're learning Spanish,ย ย 
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์ž, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
27:09
now you're married to a Russian, so I'mย  sure you've learned Russian as well.
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์ด์ œ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด์™€ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ–ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋„ ๋ฐฐ์› ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:14
So tell us about your experience,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜,
27:16
learning languages, some of your successes,ย  failures, and anything you want about that.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต, ์„ฑ๊ณต, ์‹คํŒจ ๋ฐ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌํ•ญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
27:23
Yeah, I I think I'm definitely notย  a not like a polyglot or someoneย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‚˜
27:30
who has who can boast about a lot ofย  success of learning lots of languages.
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๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์ž๋ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:35
I was just always very interestedย  in language as a child.
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋งŽ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:39
My dad just had different likeย  like dictionaries, like English,ย ย 
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์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์ „,
27:43
French dictionary, Romanian dictionary.
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ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด ์‚ฌ์ „, ๋ฃจ๋งˆ๋‹ˆ์•„์–ด ์‚ฌ์ „ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ์ „์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๊ณ„์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:45
So I would just go through these things and andย  it was like figuring out a puzzle and so thenย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ๊ฒช์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ๋งˆ์น˜ ํผ์ฆ์„ ํ‘ธ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
27:53
when I went to school I studied differentย  Romance languages in school and and so Iย ย 
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ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ ๋•Œ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋กœ๋งจ์Šค ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
27:59
was really interested in in in language andย  just being open to kind of that like learn.
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์–ธ์–ด์— ์ •๋ง ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋งŽ์•˜๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์—ด๋ฆฐ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:05
I like to learn about foreignย  cultures and that stuff.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์™ธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:07
So one thing I noticed was that I had studiedย  Italian mostly through high school because Iย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Š๋‚€ ์  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€
28:17
lived in Italy for two years and then in beforeย  that in middle school I had studied Spanish.
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์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์—์„œ 2๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฃผ๋กœ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:26
So when I moved to Italy, my first instinctย  was when I tried to speak Italian to people,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๋ณธ๋Šฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๋•Œ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด
28:32
Spanish came out of my mouth, theย  Spanish that I had learned at school.
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ์ž…์—์„œ ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:36
And I thought, that's weird.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ด์ƒํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
28:37
And then when I went to learn Russian,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
28:40
Italian came out of my mouth and itย  was like, what's what's going on?
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์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ž…์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค ๋”๋‹ˆ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ง€?
28:45
Why can't I just say the language that I wantย  And and then I had it again after Russianย ย 
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์™œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด ์ดํ›„์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:50
when I completely forgotten Spanish, try toย  learn Spanish again, Russian starts coming.
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:54
So I think what happens is you you likeย  make a place in your brain when you learnย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ๋‡Œ์— ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
29:02
the first foreign language, you make like a partย  of your your brain that says there's there's yourย ย 
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,
29:09
first language and then everything that's notย  first language is over in this other category.
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋๋‚œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‡Œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ.
29:13
And so everything kind of getsย  put into this one category.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:18
And then as you learn more languages, youย  already have the skill of categorizing,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
29:24
but now you have to create another category.
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์ด์ œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:26
And So what we talked about todayย  about connecting language learningย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ํ™œ๋™์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
29:32
to to activities, that reallyย  has been a big thing for me.
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํฐ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:37
So Russian is really theย  only language that I becameย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด์ด๊ณ 
29:40
fluent in and it's definitelyย  because I had a real world use.
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:47
So I was in that place, I wanted toย  connect with people and I there wasย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
29:54
a website that's like a likeย  a Russian version of Facebook.
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๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„ ๋ฒ„์ „์˜ ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ ๊ฐ™์€ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:59
And I would basically just go onย  there and add random people andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฌด์ž‘์œ„๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ฉด
30:03
then they would send me these strange messages.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:07
And so I that's how I started.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:10
I would just go like step by step, like on a chessย  board, you like moving one piece and one piece.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ฒด์ŠคํŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•œ๊ฑธ์Œ ํ•œ๊ฑธ์Œ์”ฉ ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•œ ๋ง, ํ•œ ๋ง์„ ์›€์ง์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:14
And I would see what they say backย  to me and I'd say something and thenย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ,
30:18
I would see how far I could get the conversation.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ๊นŒ์ง€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:20
Before they just got angry that Iย  was not writing the right stuff.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธ€์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ธฐ ์ „์—๋Š”์š” .
30:26
And eventually that turned into like beingย  able to write on the keyboard faster thanย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ํ‚ค๋ณด๋“œ์— ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ 
30:34
most Russian people, being able to like,ย  write pretty well and and then from thereย ย 
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, ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฝค ์ž˜ ์“ฐ๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
30:41
speak well because on social media peopleย  tend to write closer to how they speak.
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์ž˜ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋” ๊ฐ€๊น๊ฒŒ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:49
So, So yeah, that that's kindย  of my little language journey.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด ์ž‘์€ ์–ธ์–ด ์—ฌํ–‰์˜ ์ผ์ข…์ด๋‹ค.
30:54
An interesting journey you had with Russian andย  what I took away from that is you made it fun,ย ย 
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๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์—ฌํ–‰์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ป์€ ์ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ , ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ
31:01
you had fun with it, you had fun when youย  were making mistakes and you just kept at it.
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์ฆ๊ฒผ๊ณ , ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:06
And like you said, you had the real worldย  reason to need to learn Russian as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Ÿฌ์‹œ์•„์–ด๋„ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•  ์‹ค์ œ์ ์ธ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:13
So that's great that you had that experience.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
31:16
So, Kris, if my students were toย  do only one thing this week toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ๋งŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
31:21
improve their English fluency,ย  what should that one thing be?
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, ๊ทธ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
31:27
Talk to somebody.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
31:29
Have a conversation in English.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
31:31
Just maybe you studied and maybeย  you went to a class at a university,ย ย 
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„
31:36
or maybe you maybe for work there wasย  something you had to do that was in English.
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์žˆ๊ณ , ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜์–ด๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:40
Like maybe you read an e-mail.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:42
Whatever you had to do, just just practiceย  getting the words out of your out of your mouth.
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋“ , ์ž… ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:48
You just have to do it enough timesย  for it to become more automatic.
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์ข€ ๋” ์ž๋™ํ™”๋˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ํšŸ์ˆ˜๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:52
So you know, if you wantย  to get strong, do push ups.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํŒ”๊ตฝํ˜€ํŽด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
31:56
So do some push ups this week.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์—๋Š” ํŒ”๊ตฝํ˜€ํŽด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
32:00
You heard it.
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32:00
Everyone talk to one person this week.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
32:03
That's a very simple thing to do.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:05
That's achievable.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:07
I know you can do it.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:08
Talk to one person this week.
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์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์—๋Š” ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
32:10
Great advice, Kris.
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์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด์—์š”, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค.
32:11
So Kris, where can my audience connect with you?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด Kris, ๋‚ด ์ฒญ์ค‘์€ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
32:15
Well, they can find us at krisamerikos.comย  or just go to YouTube, Instagram, Facebook,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ krisamerikos.com์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ YouTube, Instagram, Facebook์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ
32:24
look for English with Kris Amerikos and you canย ย 
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Kris Amerikos์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด๋ฉด
32:28
connect with us there and andย  get whatever you need from us.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜์—ฌ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:32
And of course everyone, I'll put the linksย  in the description so make sure you check.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ์–ด๋‘˜ ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ ๊ผญ ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
32:37
Thank you so much Kris for being here andย  sharing your wonderful advice with my students.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹  Kris์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:42
Thank you so much.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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