Which country has the best schools? ⏲️ 6 Minute English

Hello, this is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English.

I'm Phil. And I'm Beth.

So, Beth, we're talking about the best education systems in the world today.

You went to school here in Britain.

What do you think of the British education system?

Do you think it could be the best?

I think that it's quite good,

there's probably a couple of things that I personally would change about it,

but I would say it's quite good, but maybe not the best in the world.

Well, in this programme, we're going to be talking about the Pisa rankings.

The rankings are based on tests carried out by the OECD,

that's an international organisation, every three years.

The tests attempt to show which countries are the most

effective at teaching maths, science and reading.

But is that really possible to measure?

Well, here is former BBC education correspondent Sean Coughlan talking

to BBC World Service programme 'The Global Story'.

When they were introduced first of all, that was a very contentious idea,

because people said, how can you possibly compare big countries...

how can you compare America to Luxembourg or to, you know,

or to parts of China or whatever?

Sean said that the tests were contentious.

If something is contentious, then it's something that people might argue about -

it's controversial.

So, at first, Pisa tests were contentious because

not everyone believed it was fair to compare very different countries.

Phil, I've got a question for you about them.

So, in 2022, Singapore was top of the reading rankings.

But which of these countries came second?

Was it a) the USA, b) Ireland or c) the UK?

I think it might be b) Ireland.

OK. Well, we will find out if that's correct at the end of the programme.

A common pattern in the Pisa rankings is

that the most successful countries tend to be smaller.

Talking to BBC World Service programme, 'The Global Story',

Sean Coughlan tells us that many large countries

from Western Europe don't score that highly in the rankings.

They're being outpaced and outperformed by these fast, upcoming countries,

you know, Singapore or Estonia, or Taiwan, or those sort of places

which have which we don't historically think of as being economic rivals,

but I suppose the argument for the Pisa tests is, if you want to have

a knowledge economy, an economy based on skills,

this is how you measure it.

We heard that many large European countries

are being outpaced by smaller nations.

If someone outpaces you, they're going faster than you - at a higher pace.

We use the prefix, 'out-' to say that someone or something is better

at doing something.

We also heard that smaller nations are 'outperforming' larger ones -

they're performing better.

Singapore, Estonia and Taiwan are described as 'economic rivals'

to large European nations.

That means that they are competing with them, economically.

We also heard about a knowledge economy.

This is an economy based on service industries that require workers

to be highly educated, such as IT, finance or advanced engineering.

So, what makes countries perform better in these tests?

Let's hear again from BBC World Service programme, 'The Global Story'.

Sean Coughlan tells us that those countries that prioritise

getting everyone to a certain level do well.

We also hear from Rando Kuustik, an Estonian School principal.

Countries which make sure that all their pupils get

through a certain level of education to a certain standard,

regardless of their background, do well.

If you are teaching them by different level or abilities,

then you are segregating them, and we don't want to segregate any people

in the world, why we are doing that

in the schools? This one of the main things why Estonia is successful.

Sean said the most successful systems educate everyone

to a particular standard, regardless of their background.

If one thing happens regardless of something else it means

that the something else is not important, or not a problem.

Rando Kuustik said

that Estonian schools do not want to segregate students.

'Segregate' means to separate and keep apart.

So, we've just heard about Estonia,

but what about your question, Beth?

What about those countries?

I asked you which out of the USA, Ireland and the UK

came second for reading in the 2022 Pisa rankings?

You said Ireland, and that was the correct answer. Well done!

OK, let's recap the vocabulary we've learnt in this programme

about education rankings, starting with, 'contentious' -

argued about or controversial.

If you're outpaced by someone, they're going faster than you are.

Rivals are competitors.

A knowledge economy is one based on industries that need

highly educated workers, such as IT, finance or advanced engineering.

If something happens,

regardless of a second thing, the second thing has no impact on it happening.

And finally, if people are segregated,

different groups of people are separated and kept apart.

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