Break the Bad News Bubble with Angus Hervey (Part 1) | TED Explains

翻译人员: Bruce Wang 校对人员: Manlin Fang

Whitney Pennington Rodgers: Hi, Angus, thanks for joining me today.

惠特尼·彭宁顿·罗杰斯： 嗨，安格斯，感谢你今天加入我的行列。

Angus Hervey: Whitney, good to be with you.

安格斯·赫维：惠特尼， 很高兴和你在一起。

WPR: So we've launched a series here at TED called TED Explains,

WPR：因此，我们在TED上推出了一个名为 TED Explassions的系列文章，

where we take big headlines and break down what they mean and why they matter.

我们在该系列中列出了头条新闻，分解 了它们的含义以及它们为何重要。

And as we're thinking about the kind of stories we wanted to explain,

当我们思考我们想解释 的故事时，

one thing that came up in our conversations is you

对话中出现的一件事是你

and the work that you do at Fix the News.

和你在 Fix the News 所做的工作。

So what is Fix the News?

那么什么是 Fix the News？

What is it that you do over there?

你在那边干什么？

AH: Fix the News is founded on the idea

AH：Fix the News 建立在这样的理念之上，

that the biggest problem in media today

即当今媒体中最大的问题

isn’t the division between left versus right

不是 左右的分界

or the filter bubbles that we're stuck in.

或我们陷入的过滤气泡。

It’s the bad news bubble that we’re all stuck in.

这是我们都陷入 的坏消息泡沫。

Because the news tells us what’s going wrong.

因为新闻告诉我们出了 什么问题。

It's a thing about failure and not success.

这是关于失败 而不是成功的问题。

And it's also true that the news is about sudden events,

而且，新闻的确 是突发事件，

not gradual trends.

而不是渐进的趋势。

It's about the unusual and not the commonplace.

这是关于不寻常的事物， 而不是司空见惯的事情。

And as a result,

结果，出现了

vast waves of progress: extreme poverty declining,

巨大的进步： 极端贫困减少，

lifespans increasing,

寿命延长，

living standards rising,

生活水平提高，

laws becoming more tolerant,

法律变得更加宽容，

diseases disappearing,

疾病消失，

oceans and forests being protected,

海洋和森林得到保护，

clean energy replacing fossil fuels,

清洁能源取代化石燃料，

those things are kind of invisible.

这些都是看不见的。

A simpler way, really, of saying this is that

实际上，一个更简单的说 法是，世界上可能 正在发生

terrible things might be happening in the world,

可怕的事情，

but not everything that's happening in the world is terrible.

但并非世界上发生 的一切都是可怕的。

So at Fix the News we publish a newsletter

因此，在 Fix the News， 我们发布了一份时事通讯，

and share this information with tens of thousands of people,

并与成千上万的人分享了这些信息，

and it's stories about what's going right.

其中包括关于 正在发生的事情的故事。

Powerful stories of progress

我们将有力的进展

that we distill into a succinct snapshot that connect people to the bigger picture

故事提炼成一个简洁的快照 ，将人们与大局联系起来，

and explain what progress is being made,

并解释正在取得的进展、

what timeline it takes place over,

所发生的时间表、实现这一目标需要

what it took to get there and what the impact is.

什么 以及产生了什么影响。

WPR: Well, we've been really fortunate

WPR：嗯，我们真的很幸运能

to have you share some of these big stories of progress

让你分享你在 两次TED演讲 中取得的进展

over the course of two TED Talks that you’ve given,

的重大故事，

this past year being the most recent one.

去年是最近的一次。

And they were the stories just as you've described,

are these big stories that we might have missed

这是我们可能会失去的 一个大故事

because they were not covered in the news for one reason or another.

因为某种原因没有在新闻 中报道而错过的重大报道。

We're really thrilled to have you share more of these stories with us

作为TED Explassions的 特别系列的一部分，

as part of this special series within a series at TED Explains

我们非常高兴你能与 我们分享 更多这样的故事，

called TED Explains the News That You Missed,

该系列名为 TED 解释你错过的新闻，

and this is the first of that series.

这是该系列的第一篇。

So since you gave your last talk, at this point, it's about six months ago,

因此，自从你上次演讲以来，这个 时候，大约是六个月前，

a lot has happened out in the world.

世界上发生了很多事情。

So let's talk about a few of the big stories that you've been tracking.

因此，让我们来谈谈你 一直在追踪的一些重大故事。

And one of those stories is probably something

我们许多人的头等大事，

that was front and center for a lot of us at one point,

其中一个故事可能曾经是

which is the fight against AIDS.

那就是抗击艾滋病。

And I know there's some big news there lately.

而且我知道最近有一些 重大新闻。

So what's the story there?

那么那里的故事是什么？

What's been happening in that space?

那个空间发生了什么？

AH: Well, AIDS is still a big deal.

AH：嗯，艾滋病还是个大问题。

We don't hear about it in the news very much anymore.

我们再也不会在新闻 中听到这件事了。

But it's killed over 40 million people since the pandemic first began.

但是，自疫情首次爆发 以来，它已经造成4000多万人死亡。

And there are around 40 million people worldwide

目前，全球约有4000 万艾滋病毒

who are living with HIV right now.

感染者。

So it's a big thing that has happened to humanity

因此，这是发生在人类 身上的大事，

and continues to be a daily reality for a lot of people.

并且仍然是许多人的日常现实。

At the end of July, UNAIDS held their annual conference,

7月底，联合国艾滋病 规划署举行了年度会议，

and at that conference they released data with some really incredible news

在那次会议上，他们发布了数据，

showing that annual AIDS deaths have declined by 69 percent

其中一些非常令人难以置信的消息表明， 自2004年达到峰值

since their peak in 2004.

以来，每年的艾滋病死亡 人数下降了69％。

So just to put this into context, at the peak of the AIDS epidemic,

因此，仅从背景来看， 在艾滋病疫情的高峰期，

close to two million people died.

有近200万人死亡。

It was one of the worst problems in the world.

这是世界上最严重 的问题之一。

And in 2023, 20 years later,

而在20年后的2023年，

around 630,000 people lost their lives,

约有63万人丧生，

which is still devastating.

这仍然是毁灭性的。

But in terms of progress against a disease,

但就 抗击疾病的进展而言，

this really is one of the most remarkable stories in global public health.

这确实是全球公共卫生 领域最引人注目的故事之一。

And the reason that it's been possible

之所以成为可能，

is because of access, mostly to antiretroviral therapies.

是因为有机会获得， 主要是抗逆转录病毒疗法。

There are 40 million people worldwide living with HIV right now,

目前，全球有4000万 艾滋病毒感染者，

and more than 77 percent of those people have access to antiretroviral therapies

其中77％以上的人

and 84 percent of pregnant women,

可以获得抗逆转录病毒疗法，

which prevents transmission to their child.

84％的孕妇可以防止传播 给孩子。

And it's this, this access to these incredible medicines

正是这种获得这些 不可思议药物的机会，

that's really driving the decline in overall mortality.

真正推动了总体死亡率 的下降。

At the same conference, the UNAIDS conference in July,

在同一次会议上， 即7月的联合国艾滋病规划署会议上，最激动人心的时刻

one of the most exciting moments, if not the most exciting moment,

之一， 如果不是最激动人心的时刻，

and certainly one of the most anticipated at the conference,

当然也是会议上最令人 期待的时刻之一，

was the release of data from a trial of a drug called Lenacapavir

是发布了一项名为Lenacapavir 的药物试验的数据，

which showed that this drug,

该药物表明，这种药物，

which only needs to be injected twice a year,

每年只 需要注射两次，

has a 100-percent effectiveness rate in preventing the transmission.

预防传播的有效率 为百分之百。

This is extraordinary.

这太不寻常了。

This is not the kind of thing that happens in medical trials.

这不是医学试验中 发生的事情。

You don't get 100 percent effectiveness rates in anything really.

实际上，你在任何事情上都无法获得百分之百的 有效率。

And when the results of that trial were announced,

当那次审判 的结果公布时，

I think the entire plenary leapt to their feet and started applauding.

我认为整个全体会议都站了 起来，开始鼓掌。

It was really an incredible moment.

那确实是一个不可思议的时刻。

And AIDS researchers are incredibly excited about it.

艾滋病研究人员 对此感到非常兴奋。

The next big battle, of course now is to get Gilead to release that drug

当然，现在的下一场大战 是让吉利德以人们负担得 起的价格

to low- and middle-income countries at a price that people can afford.

向低收入和中等收入国家发布这种药物。

But certainly the future looks bright

但是可以肯定的是，

for a lot of people who have this disease.

对于许多患有这种疾病的人来说，前途一片光明。

There's still a lot of questions around funding and the future trajectory,

关于资金和未来的发展轨迹， 还有很多疑问，

but really, I think we can all take a lot of comfort

但实际上，我认为我们可以

from the progress that has been made over the last 20 years.

从过去20年中取得的进展中得到很多安慰。

WPR: Well, I know you're also always tracking progress

WPR：嗯，我知道你也 一直在

on the battle against climate change

关注应对气候变化的进展

and some big news for what's going on in the Amazon.

以及亚马逊正在发生的 事情的一些重大新闻。

What's happening there?

那里发生了什么？

AH: Again, this is kind of as big as it gets.

AH：再说一遍， 这有点大。

The Amazon also is a big deal.

亚马逊也是一件大事。

And I mean, I don't think I need to explain that.

我的意思是，我认为 我不需要解释这一点。

You know, people call it the lungs of the Earth for a reason.

你知道，人们称之为地球 之肺是有原因的。

It's the largest rainforest in the world.

它是世界上最大的热带雨林。

And within the Amazon itself,

而在亚马逊本身，亚马逊

most of the Amazon is taken up by the Brazilian Amazon.

的大部分地区都被巴西亚马逊占 领。

I think around two thirds of the entire Amazon basin is within Brazil.

我认为整个 亚马逊盆地约有三分之二位于巴西境内。

So really what happens in Brazil,

因此，实际上，在巴西发生的事情不仅 对该地区和森林

kind of matters not just for the region and for the forest,

很重要，

but for the planet as a whole.

对整个地球也很重要。

And there has been some really incredible news coming out of Brazil.

巴西 传来了一些非常不可思议的消息。

It was released last month by Brazil's space agency,

巴西航天局上个月 发布的报告

showing that deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon

显示，在过去的12个月 中，巴西亚马逊地区的

has come down by 45 percent in the last 12 months.

森林砍伐减少了45％。

This is the largest proportional decrease in deforestation

这是他们有史以来 12个月以来

that they have ever recorded in 12 months.

最大的森林砍伐比例减少。

Under Bolsonaro,

在博尔索纳罗的领导下，

deforestation kind of skyrocketed,

森林砍伐急剧上升，每年

up to almost 10,000 square kilometers a year.

高达近10,000 平方千米。

And it's now down in the last 12-month period

在过去的12个月中， 这一比例已降

to below 5,000 square kilometers a year.

至每年5,000平方公里以下。

Now this is still a lot of deforestation.

现在这仍然是大量的森林砍伐。

So this is not to say that the problem has been solved.

因此，这并不是 说问题已经解决了。

Instead, it's an indicator of progress.

相反，它是进展的指标。

And I think what's so heartening about this story

我认为这个故事

is that when President Lula da Silva came into power

令人振奋的是 ， 当卢拉·达席尔瓦总统

at the beginning of 2023,

于2023年初上台时，

one of his main campaign promises was to end illegal deforestation

他的主要竞选承诺之一 是结束巴西亚马逊

in the Brazilian Amazon.

地区的非法森林砍伐。

And what has happened there in Brazil

而在巴西发生的事情是，

is that the government has poured resources

政府 已经向环境执法局

into Environmental Enforcement Agency

及其公园管理局

and their Park Service.

注入了资源。

So this rhetoric is being backed by action,

因此，这种言论 得到了行动的支持，

and we're seeing that in the results.

我们在结果中看到了这一点。

Now this doesn’t mean the Amazon is out of the woods, so to speak.

可以这么说，这并不意味着亚马逊 已经走出困境。

We have a really problematic drought that's happening right now

由于气候变化， 我们现在正在

because of climate change.

发生一场非常棘手的干旱。

We have record amounts of fires in the Amazon,

亚马逊 的火灾数量创历史新高，

and a lot of the headlines have been about those problems.

许多头条新闻 都是关于这些问题的。

But I think that if you look over the span of the last 12 months,

但我认为，纵观过去 的12个月，

there are hugely encouraging signs of progress.

有非常令人鼓舞的进展 迹象。

And every reason to believe that Lula will continue to meet these promises

而且有充分的理由 相信卢拉将继续兑现

of reducing illegal deforestation.

减少非法砍伐森林的承诺。

WPR: Well, across the globe and in another environmental issue,

WPR：嗯，在全球范围内 ， 在另一个环境问题中，

you're seeing something happening in China that's also really exciting.

你会看到中国发生的事情 也非常令人兴奋。

Tell us about that.

告诉我们这件事。

AH: Yeah, so this is I think,

AH：是的，所以我认为，

for me, this is the most important climate news of the year,

对我来说，这是今年最重要的 气候新闻，

which is why you're probably not seeing it in the headlines,

这就是为什么你可能 没有在头条新闻中看到的原因，

which is that China is installing record amounts of wind and solar energy.

减少非法砍伐森林就是中国正在安装 创纪录数量的风能和太阳能。

102 gigawatts of solar in the first six months of the year

今年前六个月的太阳能 为102千兆瓦，

and 26 gigawatts of wind.

风能为26千兆瓦。

Solar addition's up by 31 percent compared to last year,

与去年相比， 太阳能新增量增长了31％，

and wind addition's up by 12 percent.

风能新增量增长了12％。

And last year, of course, was a record

当然，去年是中国部署 可再生能源

for deployment of renewable energy in China.

的纪录。

So we're entering new territory here.

因此，我们正在进入新的领域。

And to kind of, again, put a bit of a marker on this,

再说一遍，

China has just hit its 1,200 gigawatt wind and solar goal,

中国刚刚提前

six years early.

六年实现了1200千兆瓦的 风能和太阳能目标。

So in 2020,

因此，在2020年，

China had around 450 gigawatts of wind and solar,

中国拥有约450千兆瓦 的风能和太阳能，

and they set a goal of reaching 1,200 gigawatts by 2030.

他们设定了到2030年达到 1200千兆瓦的目标。

And most energy analysts around the world

全球大多数能源分析师都

said that that was too ambitious.

表示，这太雄心勃勃了。

And yet China has now hit that goal in July 2024.

然而，中国现在已经在2024年7月实现了 这个目标。

And as a result of this incredibly rapid deployment of clean energy,

而且，由于清洁能源的 快速部署，

probably the most important story, certainly technology story,

这可能是最重要的故事， 当然是技术故事，

one of the most important technology stories

也是最重要的 技术故事之一

and the most important climate story happening in the world right now.

也是目前世界上 发生的最重要的气候故事。

It looks like China's carbon emissions fell by one percent

看来中国的碳排放量

in the second quarter of 2024.

在2024年第二季度 下降了百分之一。

And many energy analysts are saying

许多能源分析师

that looking forward over the next, you know,

表示，展望未来 ， 即今年剩下的

four or five months that remain in the year,

四五个月，

there is a more than 50 percent chance

中国在2024年 碳排放量下降的可能

that China could see carbon emissions decline in 2024.

性超过50％。

Of course, China is the largest carbon emitter in the world.

当然，中国是世界上最大的 碳排放国。

So when China peaks,

因此，当中国达到顶峰时，

that means the rest of the world peaks as well.

这意味着世界其他地区 也将达到顶峰。

And it could mean

这可能意味着，

that after the 300-year journey of carbon-led industrialization

在我们经历了300年的 碳主导型工业化

that we've been on,

之旅之后，今年， 2024年标志着

this year, 2024 marks the point at which the ship turns around,

这艘船的转折点，

and we embark on the next 30 or 40-year journey of decarbonization.

我们将踏上下一个30 或40年的脱碳之旅。

It's a seminal moment in the climate story

这是气候故事中的 一个开创性时刻，

and one which I wish was getting more headlines.

我希望这个时刻 能成为更多头条新闻。

WPR: So up there with climate change,

WPR：因此，在气候变化的背景下，

hunger is another one of these huge global challenges

饥饿是另一个 巨大的全球挑战，

that seem insurmountable in some ways.

在某些方面似乎无法克服。

But you've been seeing some exciting ways that schools are tackling this.

但是你已经看到了学校正在 解决这个问题的一些令人兴奋的方法。

Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

你能再告诉我们一点吗？

AH: So we're keeping it small here.

AH：所以我们在这里保持小规模。

We’ve done a disease, deforestation, climate change

我们造成了疾病、 毁林、气候变化，

and now we're tackling hunger.

现在我们正在解决饥饿问题。

So we're sticking to small subjects.

因此，我们坚持研究小题目。

Hunger is a major issue in the world right now.

饥饿是当今世界上的 一个主要问题。

It is one of the areas in which we're going in reverse.

这是我们反向发展的 领域之一。

We've actually seen global hunger increase over the last few years,

实际上，在过去的几年中， 我们已经看到全球饥饿加剧，

and largely as a result

这主要是战争和冲突

of war and and conflict.

造成的。

But within that story, there is a really bright spot.

但是在这个故事中，确实 有一个亮点。

And that is the global effort to feed kids at school.

这就是为在校儿童 提供食物的全球努力。

This is one of the best ideas that human beings have ever had

这是人类有史以来 最好的想法之一 ，

and also one of the simplest.

也是最简单的想法之一。

When a kid comes to school, you give them a free meal.

当孩子上学时， 你给他们一顿免费餐。

And what we've seen

而我们所看到的是，

is we've seen this idea kind of take off,

我们已经看到了这种想法的腾飞，

especially since the pandemic.

尤其是自大流行以来。

But during the pandemic,

但是在疫情期间，

when a lot of kids were out of school

当许多孩子失学，

and a lot of governments were dealing with their crisis,

许多政府 都在应对危机时，

this idea emerged as something that could address that.

这个想法出现了，可以解决这个问题。

And a Global School Meals coalition was formed in 2021

全球校餐联盟 于2021年成立，

to really help countries learn lessons from each other

旨在真正帮助各国在如何提供校餐方面相互

around how to provide school meals.

吸取教 训。

And what we've seen is that those school meal programs

我们所看到 的是，这些学校供餐计划

are now reaching 480 million children

目前已惠及

in the world at the moment.

全球4.8亿名儿童。

That is up from 390 million children before the pandemic.

这比大流行 前的3.9亿儿童有所增加。

So we've seen an extra 90 million children around the world

因此，我们已经看到， 全球又有9000万儿童

get covered by these school meal programs.

获得了这些学校供餐计划的保障。

And the reason that this is such a good idea

这是个好主意的原因是，

is that homegrown school feeding

本土学校的供餐每投资1美元

generates a return of something like nine dollars per dollar invested.

能产生大约九美元的回报。

And more importantly,

更重要的是，

it's a social protection program that reduces public budget expenditures,

它是一项社会保护计划，

it unlocks agricultural development,

它减少了公共预算支出，促进了农业发展，

it reduces malnutrition,

减少了营养不良，

it reduces healthcare costs, it increases school attendance.

降低了医疗成本， 提高了入学率。

And kids learn better when they're learning on a full stomach.

而且，当孩子们饱腹学习 时，他们的学习效果会更好。

We've seen 101 countries join this School Meals Coalition

自2021年成立

since it was formed in 2021.

以来，我们已经看到101个 国家加入了这个校餐联盟。

It is one of the most exciting areas

它是目前全球发展

in global development anywhere right now.

中最令人兴奋的领域之一。

The other place that with school meals some really exciting things are happening

另一个发生校餐 真正令人兴奋的事情的地方实际上

is actually in the United States itself,

是在美国本身，

where more than 95,000 schools

那里

are serving free lunches to 21 million students each day.

有超过95,000所学校每天 为2100万名学生提供免费午餐。

So this idea of free school meals is becoming increasingly popular

因此，这种免费校餐的想法

in the United States.

在美国越来越受欢迎。

And again, the pandemic had a lot to do with this.

再说一遍，疫情与此 有很大关系。

And so this is really a kind of under-the-radar political movement,

因此，这确实是一种不为 人知的政治运动，

but one in which I think we're going to see increased traction

但我认为，在未来几年中，

in the United States over the coming years.

我们将看到美国 的吸引力越来越大。

So this is really an area to watch.

因此，这确实是一个值得关注的领域。

But if you're looking for hope in the story of hunger,

但是，如果你想在饥饿的故事 中寻找希望，那么

this school meals idea really is just absolutely incredible.

这个校餐的想法确实 令人难以置信。

And we're seeing some extraordinary progress happen all around the world.

而且我们看到世界各地正在取得一些非凡的 进展。

WPR: Wow, yeah, it's amazing.

WPR：哇，是的，太神奇了。

And you took us all over the world in sharing about that,

你带我们走遍了世界各地 ，分享了这件事，

but ended in the United States.

但最终还是以美国告终。

And so maybe we can stay there for a second.

所以也许我们可以在 那里待一会儿。

You also have some interesting things to share there about crime,

你还有一些关于犯罪的 有趣话要分享，

which we know the United States experience with crime is sort of varied,

我们知道美国 的犯罪经历各不相同，

but what's going on there currently?

但是目前那里发生了什么？

AH: So the story of crime in the United States

AH：因此，美国 的犯罪故事

is always incredibly complex.

总是异常复杂。

Obviously a very politically loaded question as well.

显然也是一个极具 政治色彩的问题。

You know, it is a favorite of politicians

你知道，它是美国

in the United States

政客的最爱，

and really in many senses,

从许多意义上讲，

often used as a kind of avatar of the wider political and culture wars.

它经常被用作更广泛的 政治和文化大战的化身。

Trying to kind of step backwards from it a little bit, though,

但是，我们试图稍微向后 退一步，

and really just concentrate on what's happening in the data,

真正 专注于数据中发生的事情，

we're seeing an extraordinary decline in crime

我们看到美国的犯罪

in the United States right now.

率正在 急剧下降。

That after the spike in crime that happened during the pandemic,

在大流行期间犯罪 率激增之后，

we're seeing historic declines across the board

我们看到暴力犯罪、谋杀、

on violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault.

强奸、抢劫、袭击的 犯罪率全面下降。

This year, in 2024 alone,

今年，仅在2024年，

we've seen a roughly 16 percent decline in murder rates.

我们的谋杀率就 下降了约16％。

And the decline of that magnitude would represent by far

而如此幅度的下降 将是迄今

the largest one-year decline ever recorded.

为止有记录以来最大的 单年降幅。

The previous record was a nine-percent decline in 1996.

之前的记录 是1996年下降了9％。

So murder rates have returned mostly to their pre-2020 levels now

因此，在2024年的前六个月内，

within the first six months of 2024,

谋杀率已基本恢复 到2020年之前的水平，

being slightly above where it was on average between 2017 and 2019.

略高 于2017年至2019年的平均水平。

But if it continues at this rate,

但是，如果继续保持这种速度，

then in 2024,

那么到2024年，

the murder rate will be below where it was in 2019.

谋杀率将 低于2019年的水平。

And that means that we're going to end up this year,

这意味着我们今年年底的凶 杀率

probably with the lowest US homicide rate since 2014

可能会达到自2014年以来 的最低水平，也是有记录以来第五低

and fifth lowest ever recorded.

的凶杀率。

It's not just that we're seeing violent crime decline as well.

这不仅仅是我们看到的 暴力犯罪也在下降。

The Major Cities Chiefs Association's latest report on violent crime

主要城市酋长协会关于美国

in 58 large US cities and 10 counties

58个大城市和10个县 暴力犯罪的最新报告

shows a 7.7 percent overall decline in the first quarter of 2024,

显示，2024年第一季度 总体下降7.7％，

with homicide down.

凶杀案有所下降。

Similar figures there,

那里的数字相似，

rape down 16.6 percent,

强奸案下降了16.6％，

robbery down three percent

抢劫案下降了3％，

and aggravated assault down by eight percent.

严重袭击 下降了8％。

There are a lot of people who say that this data is somehow suspect

很多人说这些数据 在某种程度上是可疑的，

because there is underreporting of crime that is happening right now,

因为对目前正在发生 的犯罪的举报不足，

and in some respects that is true.

在某些方面确实如此。

Not as many crimes are reported now as in the past.

But it is not a problem with underreporting from agencies

但是，美国各地机构报告

around the United States,

不足并不是问题，

that there was a methodological change back in 2021 by the FBI

联邦调查局早在2021年就 改变了方法，

that resulted in a blip.

结果出现了短暂的变化。

But most of US agencies, US law enforcement agencies,

但是大多数美国机构， 即美国执法机构，

are now reporting their full crime data.

现在都在报告 其完整的犯罪数据。

So this is not to say

因此，这并不是

that the crime problem has been solved in the US,

说美国 已经解决了犯罪问题，

but it is very, very encouraging.

但这非常令人鼓舞。

It says that things are returning back to normal,

它说情况 正在恢复正常，

that the crime spike during the pandemic was an anomaly.

大流行期间的犯罪激增 是一种反常现象。

It wasn't some kind of structural shift in how the United States operates.

这不是美国运作方式 的某种结构性转变。

And what most people don't realize is that the United States, in fact,

而大多数人没有意识到 的是，事实上，

now is safer at any point than it has been in many decades.

美国现在在任何时候都 比几十年来更安全。

Certainly, if you're looking at the data.

当然，如果你在看数据。

And that should be something that should be celebrated and encouraged

这应该是政治走廊 双方都应该

on both sides of the political aisle.

庆祝和鼓励的事情。

WPR: Well, you've shared stories with us so far that,

WPR：嗯，到目前为止，你已经 和我们分享了故事，

all of these stories have been about hopeful, promising things.

所有这些故事都是 关于充满希望、充满希望的事物。

But I think to end, there's a story about a major win for tolerance,

但我认为，归根结底，有个故事 讲述了亚洲在宽容

social tolerance in Asia

和社会宽容方面取得的重大胜利，

that feels like a really hopeful place to finish this off.

感觉这是一个非常有希望的结局。

So what's happening there?

那么那里发生了什么？

AH: So the reason that we've obviously --

啊：所以我们之所以很明显——

I think the reason that we call this series “the News that We Missed”

我认为我们之所以称 这个系列为 “我们错过的新闻”，

is because most of the news that we miss tends to be good news,

是因为我们错过的 大多数新闻 往往都是好消息，

that the media -- that "if it bleeds, it leads"

而媒体—— “如果它流血，它就会领先”

isn't just a colloquialism coined by some cutthroat tabloid editor.

不只是某个残酷的小报编辑创造 的口语主义。

It's a potent, commercial reality for most media organizations

对于当今世界上大多数媒体组织

in the world today.

来说，这是一个强大的商业现实。

So this conversation might feel like it is heavily skewed

因此，这种对话可能感觉 像是严重偏向

or heavily weighted in favor of stories of progress,

或过分偏重于进展 的故事，

well, almost entirely in favor of stories of progress.

好吧，几乎完全倾向于进步 的故事。

But that's just because these stories just don't get nearly as much visibility.

但这仅仅是因为这些故事 的知名度几乎没有那么高。

So kind of in that spirit,

因此，本着这种精神，

the story that I really wanted to finish with here,

我真正想在这里讲的故事，

which you've asked me about,

正如你问过我的那样，

is what’s happening with same-sex marriage

是亚洲同性婚姻

and wider kind of tolerance

和对LGBTQI+社区的更广泛容忍

for LGBTQI+ communities in Asia.

正在发生的事情。

Now if you look at a map of the world

现在，如果你看一下世界上

of where countries have legalized same-sex marriage,

哪些国家将同性婚姻 合法化的地图，到目前为止，

38 countries have legalized same-sex marriage so far.

已有38个国家将 同性婚姻合法化。

And almost all of that has happened in the 21st century.

而几乎所有这些都发生 在21世纪。

North America, South America,

北美、南美、

Europe and then down here in Australasia.

欧洲，然后在大洋洲。

But really, where there's still a lot of work to be done

但实际上，在非洲和亚洲，

is in Africa and Asia.

还有很多工作要做。

But in Asia this year, we've seen some really encouraging stories.

但是在今年的亚洲，我们看到了 一些非常令人鼓舞的故事。

And on top of that list is Thailand's legalization of same-sex marriage.

排在首位的是泰国的同性婚姻 合法化。

On the 18th of June, their Senate voted 130 to four

6月18日， 他们的参议院以130票

to pass the same-sex marriage bill.

对4票通过了同性婚姻法案。

And that means that Thailand,

这意味着拥有

which is home to over 70 million people,

超过7000万人口的泰国

becomes the first country in Southeast Asia, the third in Asia,

成为东南亚第一个 承认同性关系的国家，亚洲的第三个国家，

and as I said before, the 38th country in the world,

正如我之前所说，

to recognize same-sex relationships.

也是世界上第38个 承认同性关系的国家。

This is a huge milestone moment for LGBTQI+ people in Thailand.

对于泰国LGBTQI+人群来说， 这是一个重要的里程碑时刻。

There are an estimated 3.7 million to four million people

据估计，该国有370万 至400万

who identify as LGBTQI+ in that country.

人认同自己是LGBTQI+。

And while globally it has a reputation for tolerance for these communities,

尽管它在全球范围内 以容忍这些社区而闻名，但在

legally, they haven't been recognized until now.

法律上，他们直到现在才得到 承认。

This is a mixed picture.

这是一幅喜忧参半的局面。

There are many Asian countries where discrimination still exists

在许多亚洲 国家，歧视仍然存在，

and is still deeply entrenched.

并且仍然根深蒂固。

But I think this year what we're starting to see

但我认为，今年我们开始看到 的是，我们开始看到

is we're starting to see shifts that that victory,

转变，这场胜利，

particularly in Thailand,

尤其是在泰国，

maybe signals a shift for the region as a whole.

可能预示着整个地区的转变。

And this is an area to watch out for in the future.

这是将 来需要注意的领域。

There is every likelihood that Asia, more generally,

总体而言， 在未来五到十年内，

will become more generally tolerant, both legally and culturally,

亚洲很有可能 在法律和文化上

within the next five to 10 years.

变得更加普遍宽容。

And that's something that we'll be tracking as well.

这也是我们要跟踪的问题。

WPR: Well, it could actually be another name for this series,

WPR：嗯，它实际上可能是这个系列的 另一个名字，

because I feel like with everything you've said,

因为我觉得 无论你说什么，

the reaction it's brought out of me is sort of wow,

它带给 我的反应都有点哇， 还有这种敬畏感、

And this sense of awe and the goodness of people

人和人类的善良

and humanity and the progress our world is making.

以及我们的世界正在取得的进步。

We're so grateful to you for coming to share this with us today

我们非常感谢你今天 来和我们分享这篇文章

and for your talks.

以及你的会谈。

I feel like there's always an opportunity for us

我觉得，当我们收到你的来信时，

to learn something incredible about what's happening around us

我们总 有机会从周围 发生的事情中

when we hear from you,

学到一些不可思议的东西，

and we're excited to have you do this with us every few months

我们很高兴你每隔几个月就会

and have you back here to share more of these stories, which we know,

和我们 一起做这件事，让你回到这里分享 更多这样的故事，我们知道，

what you shared today is just a fraction of what you've uncovered.

你今天分享 的只是你所发现内容的一小部分。

So see you back here soon.

所以很快回来见。

AH: Thanks, Whitney.

啊：谢谢，惠特尼。