3 Ideas for Communicating Across the Political Divide | Isaac Saul | TED

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So I asked for a podium today,
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and I'm going to read from some notes when I give this talk,
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because I care a great deal about language choices,
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and I want to be absolutely precise
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in some of the words that I'm going to use today.
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I'm going to start by telling you the same piece of information twice,
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but I'm going to say it in two different ways.
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Here's the first way: "1,000 illegal aliens were arrested by US Border Patrol
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after crossing the southern border on Monday."
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Here's the second way.
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"1,000 undocumented immigrants turned themselves in to US Border Patrol
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after crossing the southern border on Monday."
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You may be able to see the difference between these statements.
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The first one is written to cater to a conservative audience
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in the United States,
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and the second is meant to cater to a liberal audience.
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The difference in how straightforward news stories like this are conveyed
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underscores just how polarized our politics have become.
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Everyone knows that polarization is a big issue
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in the United States and across the globe.
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But what fewer people talk about is the language choices
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that the media and political partisans make
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that push people away
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who might have a different perspective than them,
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despite the fact there are often less alienating ways
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to communicate the same ideas.
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For media companies that thrive on engagement,
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those choices might be intentional.
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It doesn't matter if a news outlet loses half the country
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calling migrants illegal aliens,
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so long as it retains the other half.
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As individuals, however, we sometimes make those choices
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without even realizing it.
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I'd like to share some examples of language choices
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that I think signal what I call a political tribe.
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I'm going to start with some on the left.
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"Equity." "Lived experience."
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"Oppression."
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Someone may be sharing their pronouns or talking about gender affirming care
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or using the term "Latinx."
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On the right, you might see words like "snowflake" or "deep state,"
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"mainstream media," "alpha,"
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"illegal alien," "woke," "social justice warrior."
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For over a decade, I've been obsessing over language choices like this.
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I'm a politics reporter from Bucks County, Pennsylvania,
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a bellwether county in a bellwether state.
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And in 2019, I started an independent, nonpartisan news outlet called Tangle
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in response to the bias and partisanship
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that I saw flourishing in major newsrooms all across America.
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In fact, I started Tangle to solve the problem
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of what I like to call "news polarization."
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I wanted to create a place where all Americans
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from the most hardcore MAGA Republican
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to the most progressive, blue-blooded liberal
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could trust as a source of wide-ranging perspectives
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and balanced reporting.
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And a place where an international audience
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could read about US news without the typical partisan slant.
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Our approach is simple.
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It's just to share perspectives from across the political spectrum
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in language that reaches as many people as possible.
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But, as you might imagine, we ran into some problems.
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We found that while attempting to bring conservatives and liberals under one roof,
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we were often losing people
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before they even read the different ideas we were presenting.
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Early on, I would get emails from liberal readers
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saying they were unsubscribing
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over things like my use of the term "pro-life"
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instead of "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice."
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At the same time, I would get emails from conservative readers
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saying they were unsubscribing
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because I described abortion as women's health care,
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which made them feel like I was in the tank for the pro-choice side.
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We realized that if we wanted people
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to actually hear arguments from the other side,
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we had to make some changes to our language choices.
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So I'd like to talk about how I navigate this problem of polarizing language
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as a reporter seeking to communicate
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with an audience from across the political spectrum,
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but also how I do it in my personal life.
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First, we really want to avoid making language choices
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that signal to people, "you are not on my team."
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That's incredibly difficult.
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Immigration is one subject where news organizations
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most commonly signal tribe,
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like in our first example,
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"undocumented immigrant" versus "illegal immigrant."
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We know that a conservative might see "undocumented immigrant"
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and unsubscribe, suspecting that we're soft on immigration,
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while a liberal might see "illegal immigrant"
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and write in to tell us that no person is illegal
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before canceling their account.
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That leads us to our first solution.
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When possible, find a compromise.
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We settled on the term "unauthorized migrant,"
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a legal expression that seems not to offend
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the sensibilities of either side,
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instead allowing readers to take in the arguments we're presenting
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while also accurately portraying what we're trying to communicate.
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Unfortunately, not every problem has a simple compromise.
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So let's go to a classic example.
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Abortion is a big indicator of political tribe.
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Is a person pro-life for wanting to make the killing of a fetus illegal,
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or are they anti-choice?
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Is another person pro-choice
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for wanting a woman to be able to choose what happens to her body,
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or are they anti-life?
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Ardent supporters of one side of this debate or the other
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will insist on using their preferred terms.
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So what do you do?
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Solution number two.
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We tend to use a group's preferred term.
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That allows us to maintain a neutral tone in the discussion
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and treat everyone's position with tolerance.
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Pro-life people say they're pro-life, so we call them that.
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Pro-choice people say they're pro-choice, so we say that, too.
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We may use a term like "anti-abortion" to describe a pro-life group,
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but only if we've seen them use that language themselves,
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which, by the way, many of them do.
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We ran into a similar issue with the term "Latinx,"
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a gender-neutral word invented to describe people of Hispanic descent.
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In theory, it's a decent idea,
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but it has a major problem.
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The people whom that word refers to, people of Hispanic or Latin descent,
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they don't like it.
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I got emails and emails from Latino and Latina people
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telling me that when referring to the group,
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they preferred "Hispanic" or "Latino."
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And that's not just anecdotal.
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Polling shows this too.
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68 percent of people of Hispanic descent favor the term "Hispanic,"
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21 percent favor "Latina" or "Latino,"
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and only 2 percent use the term "Latinx."
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On top of that, a whopping 40 percent find the term "Latinx" offensive.
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So we stopped using it.
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I have another example of a way you can work
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to communicate more neutrally.
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This one's a little bit of a doozy.
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This is one of the more controversial things that we do.
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The AP Stylebook, which most media outlets use,
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began calling for the capitalizing of the B in "Black" in 2020
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when referring to a race, culture or ethnicity.
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They also offered the guidance not to capitalize "white,"
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saying that "Black" communicated a wider, shared cultural experience
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that "white" did not.
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For a long time we followed this guidance, but we don't anymore.
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Believe it or not, there's not actually good polling on this that I could find,
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but there are a lot of arguments for and against.
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And I found the arguments of Black writers
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who preferred the term to be lowercase to be more persuasive.
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Writers like Glenn Loury, John McWhorter and Minna Salami.
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Loury put it like this:
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"But if all the disparate groups that constitute 'whites'
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don't comprise a single people,
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why should all the disparate groups that constitute 'blacks' do so?
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To be honest, I don't think they do.
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I would probably have a hard time seeing the sociological similarities,
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say, between a wealthy member of Lagos's business class
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and a man on Chicago's South Side
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working three part-time jobs just to pay his rent.
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Learning that both are black would tell me precisely nothing."
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End quote.
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I agree, and I find this reasoning much more compelling
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than the argument behind the AP stylebook's decision.
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And that is solution number three.
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Sometimes you have to follow your own thoughts,
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state them honestly, listen to the arguments,
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make a call as best you can, and communicate your choice when asked.
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Language choices designed to connect people
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on all sides of the political spectrum
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will never be perfect,
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but we can try our very best.
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I believe it is our responsibility to connect with people
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outside of our political tribes.
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But that responsibility doesn't only belong to the people
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communicating the news;
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it also lies with you and with me,
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the consumers.
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And it requires that we all listen more neutrally, too.
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If you disagree with my decision on that, capitalizing the B in "Black,"
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as I'm sure many people in this room do, that's fine.
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I would hope that we can have an honest disagreement about it
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and be able to see each other as people who disagree
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instead of political enemies.
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But that takes work.
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And a lot of the time, a person you're speaking with
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will use a phrase intended to signal their membership to a political tribe,
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but that doesn't always mean the other person intended to pick a fight.
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You can make the decision not to take offense
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by someone's tribal language choices,
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and rather hear their intended meaning.
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Progressives or more liberal media outlets, for example,
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may center lived experiences or share the pronouns of authors,
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while conservatives and conservative pundits
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might riff about the deep state or the mainstream media.
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What's fascinating to me about these signals
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is that they often give extra meaning to mostly apolitical ideas.
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Deep state is really just code
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for a kind of sinister federal bureaucracy run amok,
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something plenty of progressives would be open to acknowledging
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if the wording were just a little bit different.
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Meanwhile, discussing lived experiences isn't about being extra sensitive
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to every transgression you've ever experienced.
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It's just another way of saying,
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these are the things that have happened to me,
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something that conservatives center in their politics all the time.
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And lastly, I think it's worth noting
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that sometimes a single word can mean totally different things
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to different groups.
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In recent months, one of the most controversial issues in the world
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has been Israel's incursion in Gaza.
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That has set off a debate about Zionism,
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a word that I've heard used as both a political term and a slur,
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depending on the speaker.
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I'd like to share three different definitions
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for the word Zionism that I could find.
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The first is a definition from Britannica,
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which broadly defines it as a Jewish nationalist movement.
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The second is from the ADL,
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which calls it a movement for self-determination and statehood.
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And the third is a definition from Al Jazeera's website,
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which describes it as a colonial movement by any means necessary.
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Same word, three different definitions.
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Zionism is one of many terms
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that people have completely different definitions for.
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And if you're talking with someone
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who's using a term in a way that you wouldn't,
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a really simple and effective tactic
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is to ask them how they would define that term.
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That can be a good pathway to gaining mutual understanding,
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whereas not doing so is often a serious impediment.
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And if you're in the media,
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defining these terms in your writing is almost always helpful.
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Disagreement between two people over an idea can never be productive
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if both people are imagining
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the other is saying something that they aren't.
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So how can you connect with people who think differently than you?
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For both media organizations and individuals in their everyday life,
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you have to be sincere.
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People know when they're being pandered to.
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You don't have to make everybody happy,
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and you don't even have to like the people that you disagree with.
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But you ought to try communicating in ways
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that more than one political tribe can hear you.
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And when the other political tribe is communicating,
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you should try your best to be tolerant of their language choices.
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That sometimes means calling a group something they prefer to be called,
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even if you disagree.
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And it often means really hearing the intentions of another person,
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even if they are using language that puts you off.
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The good news is that using more neutral language
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isn't always difficult,
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and tolerance is a pretty easy bar to clear if you try.
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So please, if you have some better suggestions
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for how to communicate and connect across the political spectrum,
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I'm all ears.
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I'm always open to ideas and changing my mind,
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and I hope you are too.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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