Let’s Reframe Cancel Culture | Sarah Jones | TED

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As a writer and performer,
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for years, I have been known for giving voice or voices
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to the many diverse characters I play onstage
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and, more recently, in my film “Sell/Buy/Date.”
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My characters, these characters, some of whom you are about to meet,
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are based on people from my real life,
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including my very real mixed race family.
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Like me.
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My name is Lorraine. Hi there, TED.
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It's wonderful.
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I'm kvelling to be here with you all again.
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Thank you for having me.
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Please don't AI me.
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(Laughter)
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So Lorraine is based partly on a real relative of mine.
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But don't worry, I changed the names to protect the innocent
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and especially the guilty.
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Claro que sí. Hi, I'm Nereida.
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Muy buenas tardes, everybody.
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I am also from Sarah Jones's family, but I'm a little bit nervous
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because I was so excited to come back here to TED,
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and then Sarah Jones was like,
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"We are going to be talking about how everyone is afraid of cancel culture."
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And I was like, "First of all,
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we are here speaking as people from different backgrounds.
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Are we even allowed to do that anymore?
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Like what if people confuse what we're doing
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with cultural appropriation,
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which is probably the fastest way to get us all canceled?
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Oh, my God. No, thank you.”
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As you can hear, my characters have their own take on things,
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but I had a very personal experience of cancel culture,
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and I wanted to share about it here.
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And I’m hoping that if we’re willing to really talk about all of this,
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maybe we can stop living in fear of it
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and get at what's actually underneath it.
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Now you’ve already met Lorraine and Nereida ...
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But you haven’t met me.
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Hi, I'm Bella.
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She/her pronouns.
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I’m a double major, feminism and philosophy,
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and actually social justice.
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Just auditing.
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(Laughter)
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But also I'm minoring in social media
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with a concentration on notable TikTok memes.
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(Laughter)
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But as far as, like, cancel culture with, like, older people ...
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I mean, like, not to say that, like, you're all older,
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but, like, just some of you are more, like,
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chronologically advanced ...
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(Laughter)
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people and, like, more successful, right?
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So, like, obvi, you have, like, the most to lose, right?
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Um. So --
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(Applause)
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Bella makes an annoying but very good point, right?
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This is a global phenomenon
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with immeasurable impact on culture, commerce.
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And I know, the feeling is over the past few years,
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there has suddenly been this rise
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of a terrifying specter that everybody has to fear.
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But in my experience,
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cancel culture actually hasn't been sudden,
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and it is certainly not new.
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If the definition of being canceled
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is being silenced, excluded,
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disempowered and disinvited from the larger conversation,
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then for many of us,
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cancel culture has defined our lives for most of history.
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I mean, spoiler alert, I'm Black.
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Also a woman.
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I have Latino relatives.
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I'm even a little part Jewish.
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I know what it is to have cancellation baked into who I am.
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So some of our experiences down through history
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have amounted to a kind of pre-cancellation.
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It's only now that this new kind of cancellation
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has begun to impact the powerful and dominant
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with the pre-canceled folk saying,
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"Hey, this system has been failing a lot of us for centuries.
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So now it's our turn.
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We're going to take justice into our own hands
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and cancel you."
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And I agree that we need the equity and justice our laws promise
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but often don't deliver.
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For example, harmful and even criminal behavior,
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when committed by powerful people,
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has often gone completely unpunished.
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And in situations like that, yeah,
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cancel culture can at least offer some form of restitution.
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Now that said, as a system, it's far from perfect.
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I mean, once people are canceled,
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how are we actually holding them accountable?
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Like there are those creepy comedians
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or CEOs who might have to hole up in their mansions for a little while.
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But before you know it, a lot of them are right back in Madison Square Garden
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or otherwise in business.
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And meanwhile, the larger systems that created them keep right on going.
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Now even worse, sometimes people
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who are the opposite of the Harvey Weinsteins of the world
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can get lumped in and dragged
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as soon as one voice screams “cancellation” in a crowded theater.
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I mentioned my film "Sell/Buy/Date" earlier.
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It was inspired by a play of the same name.
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I even performed an early excerpt of it right here at TED.
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And it’s a one-person show that explores themes of women and sex and power
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through the lens of the sex industry.
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But if you don't know my work, let me give you a little bit more context.
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Since I grew up watching racial, ethnic and other stereotypes,
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or no images of us at all,
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my work has always been about accurately portraying people
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in our full humanity.
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And in the case of "Sell/Buy/Date,"
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which was inspired by real people in the sex industry
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whom I had spent years getting to know
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and who generously trusted me with their stories onstage,
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I was grateful my work was received
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as a loving tribute to those diverse people and ideas.
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That is, until the film version was announced in the press.
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The film was backed by a team of A-list Hollywood producers.
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And so suddenly this was a much bigger platform.
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And people who did not know me and my connection to the topic
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assumed I was a cultural appropriator with bad intentions,
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and suddenly I was under brutal attack.
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I mean, strangers from all over the internet
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were coming for me personally,
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threatening my funders,
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promising to cancel anyone associated with my film.
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Why?
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Well, these cancelers were actually concerned sex workers.
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They were afraid my film would be disrespectful
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to the already very marginalized people in the sex industry.
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And I get that.
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But before I could even make the film
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and include the voices of sex workers, as I had always planned,
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they said I had no right to tell my story since I'm not in the industry myself.
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And they were more than willing to destroy me and my career.
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Ultimately, I hung in there.
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I made the film, which shows me wrestling with these issues,
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and it was critically acclaimed by the “New York Times.”
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But along the way,
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I, the film and the very people it was trying to serve
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all suffered harm that may never be undone.
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I've lost friendships and opportunities that can never be restored.
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But even worse, the distraction of the cancellation
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pulled focus from the goal
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of destigmatizing people in the sex industry.
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And that is another huge problem with cancel culture,
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is that at its worst it can end up
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hurting the very people it's trying to help.
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And even at its best,
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it can still fuel this continuous loop of fear.
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Like there are the marginalized folks who fear very understandably
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that they'll be disempowered yet again.
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And then there are the people who are in power
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and fear losing that power.
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Or they secretly feel like they're being indicted
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rather than invited into a conversation.
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And nobody is really evolving under circumstances like that.
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Meanwhile, the larger culture of inequality not only isn't improving,
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it's actually getting worse out here
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because everybody's just reacting from their amygdala.
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So ...
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What's the solution?
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Well, kind of like with my film,
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I'm not here to tell you what you have to think.
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Yes, but I will listen.
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Even the nice Black girl is saying cancel culture is not the solution.
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So I think we should all just say,
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"Poo poo poo. Glad we cleared that up.
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We can all move on, thank God."
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Yeah, well --
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Yes but, Lorraine, it’s not that simple
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because many of us, you know,
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the pre-canceled people,
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we can't just move on
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without a more equitable, a better society.
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The good news is,
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I believe that starts less with looking at Twitter
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and more with, well,
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looking at the man in the mirror.
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At the risk of invoking a very canceled pop icon, I'm sorry.
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Research shows that if we try looking really honestly at ourselves
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and any biases or privilege we may have,
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it could actually improve our quality of life.
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A recent piece in "Scientific American" about unlearning certain prejudices
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pointed to research that -- wait for this --
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even with power,
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when the dominant group fears losing that power,
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they are more anxious,
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more angry, defensive, paternalistic,
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which harms us all.
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So whether we're the ones who fear being canceled
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or we're trying to hold others to account,
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we can all start a daily practice of being self-accountable.
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To notice, without judgment, any tendencies in ourselves
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that could be hurtful to others.
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And I'm not saying that unlearning our biases
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will automatically shield us from cancellation,
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but we can at least try to own any mistakes we might be making.
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And we don’t have to do it alone.
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We can surround ourselves with trusted people
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who may be more aware of certain issues than we are.
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Think of them as your own personal cancel counsel.
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(Laughter)
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Yeah? OK.
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Lastly, let’s say we’re the ones doing the canceling.
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Looking honestly at ourselves can keep us from automatically assuming
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the worst in people who could be well-meaning.
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Now I know, I know. Don’t @ me.
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A lot of these people out here getting canceled do not mean well.
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Or even if they do,
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good intentions might not help much
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when a stranger asks if they can touch your hair.
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I mean, unless that stranger is Jason Momoa.
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Just saying.
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(Laughter)
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He has my consent.
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But the point is,
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we don't just want to ignore thoughtless missteps or worse.
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But I do believe even alongside the painful inequities,
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we are still mostly just people
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who are trying to do the right thing.
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And if we are falling short of that,
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banishment alone doesn't actually solve the problem.
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It just creates more hurt and angry people.
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Now, I'm hoping that without pretending
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this is an even playing field,
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that we can still empathize with each other just a little bit more.
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Maybe you can even become the cancel counsel to someone
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you would otherwise have written off.
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Invite them to share where they were trying to come from,
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and then show them any biases they might have been blind to.
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I'm not saying it's easy.
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I know a lot of us are really tired,
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but I also think we would be amazed at how connecting to someone on that level
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could take a hurtful event
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and turn it into a chance for healing and real progress.
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Now, listen, I'm --
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I'm not saying any of us will ever be perfect,
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but maybe we can try to give each other and ourselves
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the grace of assuming good intentions
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while still doing the work
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that acknowledges how far we have to go.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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