How to feed 10 billion people — without destroying nature | Andy Jarvis | TED

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My son thinks I have the coolest job title in the world.
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I'm the director of the future of food.
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For him, that's some kind of idea --
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he thinks this is a Willy Wonka-style role of creating chocolate fountains,
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unlimited gobstoppers.
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But it’s a little bit more down to Earth, really.
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It's about thinking
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about how do we produce food without destroying nature?
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How do we deliver to 10 billion people
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affordable, nutritious and sustainable food?
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The one catch to all of this is I can't tell anyone what they should eat.
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It just doesn't work, right?
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I tell my son all the time what he shouldn’t eat,
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and that doesn't work.
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My mom spent, you know, my early days constantly telling me what I should eat.
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Brussels sprouts.
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(Laughter)
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This is me just last week.
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It didn't work despite all the time she told me.
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So anyway, I digress, that's the one catch.
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But when I do think about the future of food
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and how to produce food without destroying nature,
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one particular molecule always floats to the top as a priority.
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And that's protein.
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It's essential to human life.
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Did you know we have 100,000 different types of protein in our own bodies, right?
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When I say protein as well, it's kind of writ large.
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All of the good stuff we get from animal-sourced foods,
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from meat and from milk,
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macronutrients and micronutrients.
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But our insatiable appetite for protein is destroying nature.
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Did you know that one third of global emissions come from food?
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And half of that is coming from animal agriculture.
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Did you know that we have 40 percent of the land surface
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dedicated to production of agriculture?
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And over two thirds of that is for animal agriculture.
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And it doesn't stop there.
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We project to 2050 an increase in demand
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for animal-sourced foods and protein of 50 percent or more.
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There's simply no way that we can deliver that
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without tearing up planet Earth.
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Unless we change the way we think about it.
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And so one thing that I think
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can play an important role in that is alternative proteins.
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So when we talk about alternative proteins,
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we can think about plant-based products.
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Plant-based could be burger made from soybeans.
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It could be bacon rashers made from peas.
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And there are already products like this on the market.
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And they come in at an extraordinarily lower footprint
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in terms of emissions and in terms of land.
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We can also think about fermentation.
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So fermentation,
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it's an age-old practice that we've had for millennia.
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Today, modern-day fermented products,
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we can be using microalgae and microbes and fungi
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and creating new types of protein.
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Hell, we can even create protein from air.
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And then the other type is cultivated meat.
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Cultivated meat is where we use cells from animals, reproduce them,
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we recreate tissues,
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and we have meat-like products
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that are coming from just these cells, right?
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I had the fortune to try beef steak recently.
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It had the taste, it had the texture, it smelt.
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It was meat, right?
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This is me trying it.
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(Laughter)
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As you can see, there's a trend in this.
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I’m going to be the only TED Talk to show only slides of me eating things.
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And as you can see,
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it's very hard to get a good photo while you're tasting.
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Fortunately, this will be the last one.
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But the mind-blowing thing,
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while you're tasting that,
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is thinking that the cow, where those cells came from,
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was grazing up on the mountainside,
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just close to where I was.
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And that cow, those cells could produce thousands,
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if not millions of those kinds of steaks.
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It's mind-blowing.
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So it sounds too good to be true, right?
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It's not perfect, it has its issues.
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So many of the plant-based proteins that we're producing right now
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are being processed too much.
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They're over-processed.
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Also on cultivated meat, the costs are very high.
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We have 40 dollars per pound or more
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is the cost of producing these kinds of proteins from cultivated meat.
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And then scaling this to have any kind of planetary impact,
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to actually producing cultivated meat on planetary scales,
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it's an enormous challenge.
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The sector is also suffering.
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We had an absolute influx of of funds,
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of investment during the pandemic.
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And the sector right now is suffering.
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That was impatient capital,
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venture capital seeing, pouncing on a great idea.
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But right now it's looking for products on shelves
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and profits to pay back those investments.
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The sector is suffering.
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So ...
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Is it really part of this future of food?
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Well, put simply, I think it has to be.
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We have to make this work.
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And many of these problems are surmountable.
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Innovation is absolutely key.
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We can bring down the prices of cultivated meat through innovation.
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We can find new ways of combining plant proteins
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and recreating, mimicking the flavor of meat,
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the flavor of milk, the textures.
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If we get those ingredients right and those combinations right.
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AI is helping tremendously.
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I've tasted a cheese that is cheese.
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I love cheese, and this cheese is cheese.
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And it's using AI to get those combinations right.
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So these problems are surmountable.
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So remember the catch.
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I can't tell anyone what to eat.
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But what can I do?
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Well, I can tell governments that they need to step up on this.
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We need governments to step up and support.
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Did you know that hundreds of billions of dollars are spent every year
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for subsidies for support to animal agriculture?
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And I can tell you -- and that’s on the rise.
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But I can tell you, if you had the same amount of support
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going to the alternative-protein sector,
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these products would already be an awful lot more affordable
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and much tastier on supermarket shelves.
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So governments need to step up.
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They need to level the playing field for this, right?
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And many governments are interested.
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They see opportunity here.
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It's resilience.
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It's building,
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it's addressing food prices, it's addressing food security.
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But they're scared to talk about this.
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This has become a polarized issue.
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It needs to not be.
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And governments looking at this can look for Singapore for inspiration.
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Singapore has been a powerhouse in alternative proteins.
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What did they do?
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They were the first to regulate for cultivated meat.
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They regulated,
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made it available for consumers.
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They invested in innovation.
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They invested in science.
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They incubated companies and start-ups.
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They created an ecosystem of actors
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working on alternative proteins that is world-class.
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And it's the only country in the world where you can go to a supermarket
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and buy a cultivated-meat product today.
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It is there on supermarket shelves.
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Singapore has shown the way of how this can be done.
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And the other thing that I can do is invest.
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I can put our money where our mouth is.
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So at the Bezos Earth Fund,
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we've just committed 100 million dollars
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to support centers for sustainable protein.
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It is tackling some of these insurmountable problems,
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these surmountable problems,
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using innovation to bring prices down,
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to improve texture, to improve taste
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and to make these more healthy and more nutritious for people.
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That's what I can do.
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What can we do?
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Well, we need to recognize that everyone has a role to play
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in this future of food.
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Everyone has a stake.
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Not that kind of steak.
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We need to move away from "either-or"
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and move towards "yes and."
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Yes, we need rotational grazing,
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regenerative animal agriculture ranches
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that are delivering all of the great things that they do.
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And we need plant-based proteins.
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Yes, we need lab-grown, cultivated meat.
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And for fish, for lamb, for beef.
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And we need new fermented products.
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Yes, we need all of that and everything in between.
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Whole grains, pulses.
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Yes, we need that. right?
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So that's how I imagine the future of food.
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It's one that accommodates for all of the palates,
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the religions, the cultures,
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the preferences out there,
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and all of the budgets.
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And it's not about just producing the perfect burger.
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A Nigerian came up to me and he said, "Look,
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don't come to me with burgers in Nigeria.
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We're not a burger nation.
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We like chewy beef."
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Yes, it's chewy beef.
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And it's halal-certified lamb and it's all of these things.
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So that way, and my son is very grateful for this,
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we're not telling anyone what to eat.
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We are simply getting access
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to a large range of options
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which are all sustainable, affordable and healthy.
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And so it's ultimately about choice.
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It's about my choice.
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It's about your choice.
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It's everyone's choice.
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But make no mistake,
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these are probably some of the most important choices we'll make.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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