The Role of Art and Forgiveness in Democracy | Marc Bamuthi Joseph and Wendy Whelan | TED

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About five years ago, I moved to Washington, DC,
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to become one of the vice presidents of the Kennedy Center.
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For the last 25 years,
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I've made a living writing everything from poems in Oakland
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to operas in Amsterdam.
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Living in DC, though,
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has made me obsessed with forgiving.
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And also with forgetting.
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Forgiving requires a deeply personal commitment to healing.
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But forgiveness is also a political animal.
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Like, how do I, as a citizen, forgive what happened on January 6?
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How do I reconcile what I think is a national injustice,
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which is that since the pandemic,
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through the jungle of managing a national trauma in public health,
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we haven't really invested very much in public healing.
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Which leads me to forgetting.
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It seems like when you start banning books in a country,
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you're asking us all to forget a bunch of things.
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Historical erasure in schools is how forgetting happens in a systemic way.
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But forgetting also happens through disputed realities
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and a disruption and disinformation.
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Through a culture that manages to produce multiple options of facts.
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Says, yeah, maybe it was a riot,
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but also maybe it was a feral tour of a federal building,
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as if we're all supposed to forget what we actually saw.
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So is it possible to remember and forgive?
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And let's say we can remember and forgive.
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How does art make that possible?
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My job at the Kennedy Center is not social passivity,
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it is social impact.
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People ask me all the time,
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what can art do to help create an equitable society?
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But that's the wrong question
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and it puts the onus on the wrong people.
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The actual question is
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why aren't our healthcare systems more like music?
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Why doesn't our political apparatus operate more like the flow of a poem?
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How do we elevate the stock of art that helps create an infrastructure
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for both remembrance and forgiveness?
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Chasing these questions led me to a piece of classical music
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called "The Carnival of the Animals" by Saint-Saëns.
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Historically, "The Carnival of the Animals"
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is performed as a series of 14 mini suites,
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each inspired by a different being in the animal kingdom.
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Our version of the carnival,
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which has a mix of Saint-Saëns' music,
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some new music, some a capella moments,
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asks a different set of questions.
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We ask what if "The Carnival of the Animals"
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took place in the Capitol building on January 6?
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Who were the animals that were present on that day?
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We ask, can our democracy survive
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if we don't manufacture the empathy it takes to forgive?
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This country uses alloys to manufacture cars.
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We use brick to construct buildings.
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Can we use art to manufacture empathy
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as an intentional aspect of our economy?
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As an example, we want to share with you our version of the cuckoo.
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Now, our piece premiered in an election year
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when one of the candidates running for president
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was indicted in federal court for his role in the riot.
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That said,
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the cuckoo is not about crazy.
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It's about cycles.
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It's a moment in our work
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that remembers the toxic cycles that led to January 6.
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It's a piece that asks,
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how do we forgive the actors of chaos
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if we don't remember the cycles of inaction
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that propagated them?
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Here to help me is the great Wendy Whelan.
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"The Carnival of the Animals" is a parable about structure
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structured in parallels about animals.
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I want to bring one of those animals to life.
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Joining me is New York City Ballet icon,
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the artistic director of the New York City Ballet.
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This is Wendy Whelan.
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(Cheers and applause)
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About 2:30, maybe 2:45,
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my mom texts me to see if I'm safe.
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That's a lie.
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I text her to see if she's OK.
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My mom is from Haiti.
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She's seen this before.
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A riot, a coup, a despot, his crew.
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I ask her if she's triggered.
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She's seen this before.
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The cuckoo flies above
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and after a while, falls slowly to the Earth.
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It has a slight speech impediment.
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The human ear thinks its call repetitive.
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The human ear thinks its call repetitive,
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as if humans could be the arbiters of another species' song.
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Though in this case, the human ear is not wrong.
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The cuckoo repeats herself.
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Like each leaf on the branch upon which she perches
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is a rosary bead or a Tibetan mala.
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The human ear doesn't hear the slender bird's prayer.
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No matter.
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No matter, she attends to other concerns.
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Laying eggs in other birds' nests,
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eating insects, learning French.
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(French) The cuckoo flies.
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And after a while, falls slowly to the Earth.
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(English) Because her mantras strike the ear as monotonous drone,
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humans clone her tone in their clocks.
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The hour comes, the hour comes, like clockwork.
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The song that we recognize as time
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does not stop.
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The cuckoo is no yeoman laborer,
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singing like the incessant swinging of a mountain sculptor's chisel.
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Her song is not relentless work.
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It is incessant prayer.
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Humans think her crazy, repeating herself, repeating herself.
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They use her name in pejorative vain,
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call each other out by slurring the sound of cuckoo.
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Cuckoo.
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Expanding her striped-feathered breast
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and giving the sky her mouth.
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Cuckoo comes in many colors.
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Mad styles.
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Got family in Europe and the tropics.
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Tragic and romantic like unrequited love
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on a North Pacific island.
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And for the record, for the record,
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clock fabricators and American gift makers,
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She is not simple-brained.
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She happened to be outside the window
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when George Santayana coined the aphorism
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that those who cannot remember the past
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are condemned to repeat it,
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condemned to repeat it.
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She's been there for trickle-down economics,
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for TV personalities running for public office,
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for athletes rapping,
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for European peace treaties with native people,
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and for 14 different ends to the COVID 19 pandemic.
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Remember the past.
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Remember, cuckoo.
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Cuckoo.
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Matter of fact,
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she's noticed that in the cyclical strain
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on the infrastructure of public health,
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there hasn't been very much attention being paid to public healing.
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Like the act of intentionally and collectively acknowledging
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the social and psychological trauma of loss
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and divisiveness,
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acknowledging that the planet has endured a rift,
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and being intentional about healing together from that rift in public.
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Public healing, cuckoo.
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Repeating, cuckoo.
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The song on the automatic rifle.
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Mediocre and entitled,
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tantalizingly bland,
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middle class, white supremacist,
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disconnected,
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white man is on the premises.
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American terrorist thinking and praying and thinking and praying
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like American senators or American Second Amendment defenders,
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neglecting the context of the weapons that the framers were suggesting.
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They was talking about muskets, yo.
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They was talking about muskets, yo.
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The cuckoo repeats herself.
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The cuckoo flies above.
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And after a while,
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falls slowly to the Earth.
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Cuckoo.
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Cuckoo.
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Cuckoo.
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(Cheers and applause)
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