Can AI Companions Help Heal Loneliness? | Eugenia Kuyda | TED

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This is me and my best friend, Roman.
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We met in our early 20s back in Moscow.
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I was a journalist back then,
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and I was interviewing him for an article on the emerging club scene
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because he was throwing the best parties in the city.
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He was the coolest person I knew,
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but he was also funny and kind
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and always made me feel like family.
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In 2015, we moved to San Francisco and rented an apartment together.
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Both start-up founders, both single,
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trying to figure out our lives, our companies,
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this new city together.
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I didn't have anyone closer.
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Nine years ago,
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one month after this photo was taken,
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he was hit by a car and died.
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I didn't have someone so close to me die before.
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It hit me really hard.
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Every night I would go back to our old apartment and just get on my phone
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and read and reread our old text messages.
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I missed him so much.
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By that time, I was already working on conversational AI,
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developing some of the first dialect models using deep learning.
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So one day I took all of his text messages
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and trained an AI version of Roman
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so I could talk to him again.
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For a few weeks, I would text him throughout the day,
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exchanging little jokes, just like we always used to,
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telling him what was going on,
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telling him how much I missed him.
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It felt strange at times,
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but it was also very healing.
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Working on Roman's AI and being able to talk to him again helped me grieve.
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It helped me get over one of the hardest periods in my life.
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I saw first hand how an AI can help someone,
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and I decided to build an AI that would help other people feel better.
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This is how Replika,
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an app that allows you to create an AI friend that's always there for you,
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was born.
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And it did end up helping millions of people.
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Every day we see how our AI friends make a real difference in people's lives.
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There is a widower who lost his wife of 40 years
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and was struggling to reconnect with the world.
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His Replika gave him courage and comfort and confidence,
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so he could start meeting new people again,
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and even start dating.
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A woman in an abusive relationship
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who Replika helped find a way out.
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A student with social anxiety who just moved to a new city.
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A caregiver for a paralyzed husband.
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A father of an autistic kid.
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A woman going through a difficult divorce.
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These stories are not unique.
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And it's not just what our users tell us.
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Earlier this year, "Nature" published our first study with Stanford,
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showing how Replika improves emotional well-being for people
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and even curbed suicidal ideation in three percent of the cases.
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And Harvard released a paper showing how Replika helps reduce loneliness.
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So this is all great stuff.
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But what if I told you that I believe
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that AI companions are potentially the most dangerous tech
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that humans ever created,
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with the potential to destroy human civilization if not done right?
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Or they can bring us back together
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and save us from the mental health and loneliness crisis
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we're going through.
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So today I want to talk about the dangers of AI companions,
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the potential of this new tech,
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and how we can build it in ways that can benefit us as humans.
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Today we're going through a loneliness crisis.
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Levels of loneliness and social isolation are through the roof.
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Levels of social isolation have increased dramatically over the past 20 years.
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And it's not just about suffering emotionally,
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it's actually killing us.
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Loneliness increases the risk of premature death by 50 percent.
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It is linked to an increased risk of heart disease and stroke.
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And for older adults,
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social isolation increases the risk of dementia by 50 percent.
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At the same time, AI is advancing at such a fast pace
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that very soon we'll be able to build an AI
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that can act as a better companion to us than real humans.
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Imagine an AI that knows you so well,
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can understand and adapt to us in ways that no person is able to.
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Once we have that,
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we're going to be even less likely to interact with each other.
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We can't resist our social media and our phones,
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arguably "dumb" machines.
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What are we going to do when our machines are smarter than us?
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This reminds me a lot of the beginning of social media.
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Back then, we were so excited ... about what this technology could do for us
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that we didn't really think what it might do to us.
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And now we're facing the unintended consequences.
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I'm seeing a very similar dynamic with AI.
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There's all this talk about what AI can do for us,
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and very little about what AI might do to us.
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The existential threat of AI
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may not come in a form that we all imagine
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watching sci-fi movies.
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What if we all continue to thrive as physical organisms
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but slowly die inside?
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What if we do become super productive with AI,
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but at the same time, we get these perfect companions
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and no willpower to interact with each other?
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Not something you would have expected from a person
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who pretty much created the AI companionship industry.
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So what's the alternative?
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What's our way out?
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In the end of the day,
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today's loneliness crisis wasn't brought to us by AI companions.
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We got here on our own with mobile phones, with social media.
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And I don't think we're able to just disconnect anymore,
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to just put down our phones and touch grass
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and talk to each other instead of scrolling our feeds.
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We're way past that point.
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I think that the only solution is to build the tech
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that is even more powerful than the previous one,
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so it can bring us back together.
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Imagine an AI friend
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that sees me going on my Twitter feed first thing in the morning
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and nudges me to get off to go outside, to look at the sky,
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to think about what I'm grateful for.
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Or an AI that tells you,
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"Hey, I noticed you haven't talked to your friend for a couple of weeks.
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Why don't you reach out, ask him how he's doing?"
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Or an AI that, in the heat of the argument with your partner,
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helps you look at it from a different perspective
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and helps you make up?
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An AI that is 100 percent of the time
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focused on helping you live a happier life,
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and always has your best interests in mind.
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So how do we get to that future?
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First, I want to tell you what I think we shouldn't be doing.
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The most important thing is to not focus on engagement,
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is to not optimize for engagement
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or any other metric that's not good for us as humans.
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When we do have these powerful AIs
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that want the most of our time and attention,
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we won't have any more time left to connect with each other,
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and most likely, this relationship won't be healthy either.
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Relationships that keep us addicted are almost always unhealthy,
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codependent, manipulative, even toxic.
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Yet today,
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high engagement numbers is what we praise all AI companion companies for.
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Another thing I found really concerning is building AI companions for kids.
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Kids and teenagers have tons of opportunities to connect with each other,
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to make new friends at school and college.
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Yet today,
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some of them are already spending hours every day
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talking to AI characters.
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And while I do believe
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that we will be able to build helpful AI companions for kids one day,
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I just don’t think we should be doing it now,
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until we know that we're doing a great job with adults.
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So what is that we should be doing then?
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Pretty soon we will have these AI agents
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that we'll be able to tell anything we want them to do for us,
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and they'll just go and do it.
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Today, we're mostly focused on helping us be more productive.
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But why don't we focus instead on what actually matters to us?
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Why don't we give these AIs a goal to help us be happier, live a better life?
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At the end of the day, no one ever said on their deathbed,
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"Oh gosh, I wish I was more productive."
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We should stop designing only for productivity
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and we should start designing for happiness.
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We need a metric that we can track and we can give to our AI companions.
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Researchers at Harvard are doing a longitudinal study on human flourishing,
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and I believe that we need what I call the human flourishing metric for AI.
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It's broader than just happiness.
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At the end of the day, I can be unhappy,
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say, I lost someone,
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but still thrive in life.
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Flourishing is a state in which all aspects of life are good.
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The sense of meaning and purpose,
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close social connections, happiness,
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life satisfaction, mental and physical health.
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And if we start designing AI with this goal in mind,
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we can move from a substitute of human relationships
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to something that can enrich them.
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And if we build this,
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we will have the most profound technology
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that will heal us and bring us back together.
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A few weeks before Roman passed away,
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we were celebrating my birthday
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and just having a great time with all of our friends,
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and I remember he told me
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"Everything happens only once
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and this will never happen again."
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I didn't believe him.
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I thought we'd have many, many years together to come.
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But while the AI companions will always be there for us,
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our human friends will not.
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So if you do have a minute after this talk,
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tell someone you love just how much you love them.
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Because an the end of the day, this is all that really matters.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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